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Old 04.03.2008, 15:49
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The ones that bury insided your head and can kill you. My husband parents live next door to a man, and he had a tick in his head and did not know until it was to late he aged within a few days he looks about 90years old but he is only in his 30s bloody nasty things.
Coming from a Cape Town Westcoast were Ticks are rife, I have never heard that they can get one inside your head? Unbelievable! (Do you not maybe mean a tick on his head? just checking)
My dad has had tick bite fever, so has my brother (And no, we dont live in the bush). It is a bacterial infection transmitted by ticks, the organisms are transmitted in the saliva of an infected tick when it bites humans, but There is no vaccine against tick bite fever. It makes you pretty sick!!
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Coming from a Cape Town Westcoast were Ticks are rife, I have never heard that they can get one inside your head? Unbelievable! (Do you not maybe mean a tick on his head? just checking)
My dad has had tick bite fever, so has my brother (And no, we dont live in the bush). It is a bacterial infection transmitted by ticks, the organisms are transmitted in the saliva of an infected tick when it bites humans, but There is no vaccine against tick bite fever. It makes you pretty sick!!
They bury there teeth into your head to suck your blood the only way i have been told to remove them is you have to go to the Doctors immediately and they will remove it. Every thursday my daughter goes to the forest with kindergarden, and when she comes home i have to check her head to make sure she is ok.
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Old 04.03.2008, 18:15
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They bury there teeth into your head to suck your blood the only way i have been told to remove them is you have to go to the Doctors immediately and they will remove it. Every thursday my daughter goes to the forest with kindergarden, and when she comes home i have to check her head to make sure she is ok.
Hi - I think it is out of season for ticks at the mo but when they are about you should check all the soft, warm hidden places on the body (backs of knees, in the elbows, groin, etc) because that's their favourite place to crawl to.
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Hi - I think it is out of season for ticks at the mo but when they are about you should check all the soft, warm hidden places on the body (backs of knees, in the elbows, groin, etc) because that's their favourite place to crawl to.
Thanks no-one told me that i only heard it is the head you have to check.
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Being a teenager who rode horses in the bush my whole child hood, I can tell you personaly that you need to look behind the ear, under the boob (for the girls) and on the legs as well. Also it helps if the kids have light clothing on cos its easier to see the ticks on the clothes before they make it to the skin, the ticks hang of the edge of leaves/grass blades etc. sometimes by the bunches and then grab hold as you walk past.
Not all ticks carry tick bite fever, so dont panick if you do find one latched on.

If our family had to go to the doctor everytime we found a tick we would be broke, try this if you are not squeemish:
C ean the area with an antiseptic solution or soap and water. Take care not to scrub the tick too hard.
Use blunt tweezers or gloved fingers to grasp the tick as close to the skin as possible.
Gently pull the tick straight away from the skin.
If the tick's head breaks off in the skin, use tweezers to remove it like you would a splinter.
If you live where tick diseases are common, save the tick in a small bottle of rubbing alcohol. Your doctor can check it to see what kind of tick it is and what kind of infection it might carry. Otherwise, flush it in the toilet. Wash your hands.
Wash the area around the bite with antibacterial soap.
Call your doctor if you have any questions or concerns.
Children should be taught to seek adult help for tick removal.
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Being a teenager who rode horses in the bush my whole child hood, I can tell you personaly that you need to look behind the ear, under the boob (for the girls) and on the legs as well. Also it helps if the kids have light clothing on cos its easier to see the ticks on the clothes before they make it to the skin, the ticks hang of the edge of leaves/grass blades etc. sometimes by the bunches and then grab hold as you walk past.
Not all ticks carry tick bite fever, so dont panick if you do find one latched on.

If our family had to go to the doctor everytime we found a tick we would be broke, try this if you are not squeemish:
C ean the area with an antiseptic solution or soap and water. Take care not to scrub the tick too hard.
Use blunt tweezers or gloved fingers to grasp the tick as close to the skin as possible.
Gently pull the tick straight away from the skin.
If the tick's head breaks off in the skin, use tweezers to remove it like you would a splinter.
If you live where tick diseases are common, save the tick in a small bottle of rubbing alcohol. Your doctor can check it to see what kind of tick it is and what kind of infection it might carry. Otherwise, flush it in the toilet. Wash your hands.
Wash the area around the bite with antibacterial soap.
Call your doctor if you have any questions or concerns.
Children should be taught to seek adult help for tick removal.
Thanks very good to know, but i do not think i would remove it myself i would be to scared i did something wrong, but if i had to then your advice is very helpful.
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My 2 have had all there shots upto date i do not want to risk there health. We have also had our jabs against the ticks.
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When you say you have had jabs for ticks can you elaborate on what you got and what it protects against. Living in the country, we have forest around us, we often see deer and a big grey dead tick or two falls off our dog every couple of months in the season, even though we treat him. Last year I found a tiny brown one on my leg when I was sitting in the garden but luckily saw it and was able to remove it. I watched for any tell-tale rash but since none developed I didn't go to the doctor. I worked with a bloke once who picked up a tick on a visit to New York - he was invited to dinner at a colleague's home in Connecticut and must have picked it up in the garden there. Sometime later, he woke up with his face paralysed, having contracted Limes disease. He suffererd nerve damage, needs monthly injections of botox in his face to keep his features from twisting and will have to have them for the rest of his life. Scary stuff. I didn't realise you could be vaccinated against tick bites so can you give us a bit more detail as I know Switzerland is rife with ticks.
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On the measles question Geneva has just ordered kids who have not been vaccinated or exposed to measles to stay at home from school. This quarantine comes as cases hit the highest rates since records began nine years ago

http://www.24heures.ch/pages/home/tr...ontenu)/201261
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

There's some more information about ticks in these two threads.

Actually you shouldn't put water or antiseptic liquids on the tick before removing it because the infection rate increases if it vomits under your skin.

There are two diseases spread by ticks and there's a vaccination against one of them... for further information read the mentioned threads please, or feel free to ask questions.
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When you say you have had jabs for ticks can you elaborate on what you got and what it protects against. Living in the country, we have forest around us, we often see deer and a big grey dead tick or two falls off our dog every couple of months in the season, even though we treat him. Last year I found a tiny brown one on my leg when I was sitting in the garden but luckily saw it and was able to remove it. I watched for any tell-tale rash but since none developed I didn't go to the doctor. I worked with a bloke once who picked up a tick on a visit to New York - he was invited to dinner at a colleague's home in Connecticut and must have picked it up in the garden there. Sometime later, he woke up with his face paralysed, having contracted Limes disease. He suffererd nerve damage, needs monthly injections of botox in his face to keep his features from twisting and will have to have them for the rest of his life. Scary stuff. I didn't realise you could be vaccinated against tick bites so can you give us a bit more detail as I know Switzerland is rife with ticks.
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We had 1 injection then waited 1 month for the second then you have to wait 10 months for the 3rd injection the first 2 protect you for 10 months. Then you are protected for 10 years. The first injection was ok no side effects, but the second one ouch the next day i could not lift my arm some say after the first injection they could not lift there arm. If you live near a forest and go walking in the forest i would ecommend you get the jabs i paid 55frcs for one injection, but get most of that paid by the insurance.
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http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/m...spages/TBE.htm


Humans get lyme Borrilosis disease from ticks but the inoculation we get isn't for that, it's for a form of meningitis that's also carried by the tick. (link above)

If you do find a tick, remove it as quickly as possible and if any inflammation shows go strait to a doctor. Apparently it takes at least 36 hours of blood sucking for the disease to be transfered into the blood stream.
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Anybody think we should start a new thread about ticks?
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

One of the many reasons, that vaccinations are avoided or delayed, is due to the mercury compound, thimerosal, which is used as a vaccine preservative. This video shows the toxicity effects of mercury on neuron growth.

The video runs for 5 minutes. Below is an abstract of the research related to the video.



Retrograde degeneration of neurite membrane structural integrity of nerve growth cones following in vitro exposure to mercury.
Membrane And Cellular Biophysics And Biochemistry
Neuroreport. 12(4):733-737, March 26, 2001.
Leong, Christopher C. W.; Syed, Naweed I.; Lorscheider, Fritz L. CA

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Inhalation of mercury vapor (Hg0) inhibits binding of GTP to rat brain tubulin, thereby inhibiting tubulin polymerization into microtubules. A similar molecular lesion has also been observed in 80% of brains from patients with Alzheimer disease (AD) compared to age-matched controls. However the precise site and mode of action of Hg ions remain illusive. Therefore, the present study examined whether Hg ions could affect membrane dynamics of neurite growth cone morphology and behavior. Since tubulin is a highly conserved cytoskeletal protein in both vertebrates and invertebrates, we hypothesized that growth cones from animal species could be highly susceptible to Hg ions. To test this possibility, the identified, large Pedal A (PeA) neurons from the central ring ganglia of the snail Lymnaea stagnalis were cultured for 48 h in 2 ml brain conditioned medium (CM). Following neurite outgrowth, metal chloride solution (2 [mu]l) of Hg, Al, Pb, Cd, or Mn (10-7 M) was pressure applied directly onto individual growth cones. Time-lapse images with inverted microscopy were acquired prior to, during, and after the metal ion exposure. We demonstrate that Hg ions markedly disrupted membrane structure and linear growth rates of imaged neurites in 77% of all nerve growth cones. When growth cones were stained with antibodies specific for both tubulin and actin, it was the tubulin/microtubule structure that disintegrated following Hg exposure. Moreover, some denuded neurites were also observed to form neurofibrillary aggregates. In contrast, growth cone exposure to other metal ions did not effect growth cone morphology, nor was their motility rate compromised. To determine the growth suppressive effects of Hg ions on neuronal sprouting, cells were cultured either in the presence or absence of Hg ions. We found that in the presence of Hg ions, neuronal somata failed to sprout, whereas other metalic ions did not effect growth patterns of cultured PeA cells. We conclude that this visual evidence and previous biochemical data strongly implicate Hg as a potential etiological factor in neurodegeneration.

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They bury there teeth into your head to suck your blood the only way i have been told to remove them is you have to go to the Doctors immediately and they will remove it. Every thursday my daughter goes to the forest with kindergarden, and when she comes home i have to check her head to make sure she is ok.
I grew up in Australia, in the countryside, and used to get ticks reasonably frequently. We always used to just dab a cotton wool ball with some methylated spirits or turpentine on them and they'd die and drop off after a few hours.

I would have removed dozens (if not hundreds) of ticks like this and never suffered any ill effects.

Of course, I used to do things like ride my bike without a helmet and push a lawnmower around in bare feet, as well, so since parents these days seem to be a little more... protective... than they were twenty years ago, you'll probably want to take them to a doctor .
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Interesting story.
A year ago I rescued a little decrepit old maltese poodle from the bush, the poor thing went walk about and ended up 5km's from home through the bush (We found her owners).
Daisy (her temp name) was covered in ticks, I am not exaggerating when I say she had close to 100 ticks on her possibly more, my friend and I sat for about an hour with a bowl of warm water (kills them instantly) pulling of these ticks, most were already latched on. It was the middle of the night so couldnt take her to the vet, we did take her the next morning and the vet gave her a booster type injection but said that she would probably die if she got the fever. She was a little lethargic for a few days but right as rain by day 3, no fever. Quite amazing for an old girl!

Oh, my husband recons you should save the tick in a vial or Ziploc with a damp cotton ball or paper towel. (This keeps the tick alive longer or hydrated so the doctor can run test on it), makes sense!
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One of the many reasons, that vaccinations are avoided or delayed, is due to the mercury compound, thimerosal, which is used as a vaccine preservative.
Studies conducted by the WHO, the US-American Institute of Medicine and the European Medicines Agency independently of each other couldn't link thiomersal containing vaccinations with Autism (Source #14; WHO statement).

The quantity of thiomersal in vacccinations is toxicologically inoffensive, and many vaccinations are available without thiomersal now.
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There are different strains of the tick virus in different continents, countries and areas. Some ticks don't carry virus's that make people ill at all. Your local paper will probably issue an infected tick region map in April/May. Don't be complacent just because you've had ticks before!

I spent 13 years walking my dog in an infected area (Dübendorf) and luckily never got one. My doctor only advised people who spent a lot of time in the woods to be inoculated.

Be vigilant but don't let the threat of ticks spoil your enjoyment of the countryside, it would be such a shame.
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I grew up in Australia, in the countryside, and used to get ticks reasonably frequently. We always used to just dab a cotton wool ball with some methylated spirits or turpentine on them and they'd die and drop off after a few hours.

I would have removed dozens (if not hundreds) of ticks like this and never suffered any ill effects.

Of course, I used to do things like ride my bike without a helmet and push a lawnmower around in bare feet, as well, so since parents these days seem to be a little more... protective... than they were twenty years ago, you'll probably want to take them to a doctor .
Australian ticks carry a different kind of lyme disease (aka borreliosis) causing bacteria and so far no viral diseases at all have been traced (link). And you people really shouldn't meddle with alcohol against ticks (link).

Borreliosis is common in Switzerland, with 3000-5000 infections yearly (link). Maybe Australian ticks are less dangerous than their North American and European cousins.
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Did you hear about the man on holiday in America he had a tick and he is in a coma and if he ever wakes up he will be paralayised and have brain damage, and he had had all 3 injections against ticks. I guess it depends which country the ticks are they carry different disease.
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Did you hear about the man on holiday in America he had a tick and he is in a coma and if he ever wakes up he will be paralayised and have brain damage, and he had had all 3 injections against ticks. I guess it depends which country the ticks are they carry different disease.
No, but there isn't a vaccination against the bacterial diseases carried by ticks. Maybe he doesn't have a viral infection?

Maybe we should really start a new tick thread. The removal of the tick related posts from the measles thread could become more difficult than the removal of a tick over time.
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