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Old 19.07.2010, 20:53
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

Can it be that some people are more affected by discolouring than others? I've been using Meridol for years, and I've still got pretty white teeth.
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Candida is very good.....uses Sodium Fluoride....
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

I'm big fan of Colgate toothpastes and sometimes I also reach for whitening pastes which btw belong to category of teeth-damagers in opinion of many dentists.

I was quite puzzled by the fact that most of my colleagues at work ceremonially after lunch stand in front of the mirror and brush away. Surprisingly the enamel seems to be yellowish and brownish which I thought was rather attributed to drinking multiple cups of coffee and smoking cigarettes. Now it makes more sense to assume that not all the pastes leave nice healthy looking and shining teeth. Is that a reason why so many people do not project their wide teeth-exposing smiles in corporate environment here
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

oh no, I use Elmex children's toothpaste for my son! My dentist told me he needs it because there is no flouride in the water here. Is there another brand I can change to?
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Hey Superdude...where do you buy this Retardex toothpaste....
ah! the beauty of Boots...i often go back to london and i just stock up
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Old 20.07.2010, 00:11
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

Surprising news...for me:
from www.gaba.com
The GABA group, with its headquarters in close proximity to Basel/Switzerland, plays an essential role in the European oral care markets. GABA subsidiaries and partners in Switzerland, Germany and Austria take on a prominent role and the company is just as successful in numerous other markets.
The GABA group belongs to Colgate Palmolive and thus participates in the international resources of this world market leader.
The toothpastes of GABA, amongst other things, are manufactured in Lörrach, Germany, and mouth-/dental rinses are produced in Therwil, Switzerland.

The headquarters and subsidiaries of GABA have, amongst other things, the following divisions and departments: Research & Development, Scientific Affairs, Marketing, Market Development, Dental, Customer Development, Public Relations & Communication, Human Resources, Finance and Supply Chain.
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Surprising news...for me:
from www.gaba.com
The GABA group, with its headquarters in close proximity to Basel/Switzerland, plays an essential role in the European oral care markets. GABA subsidiaries and partners in Switzerland, Germany and Austria take on a prominent role and the company is just as successful in numerous other markets.
The GABA group belongs to Colgate Palmolive and thus participates in the international resources of this world market leader.
The toothpastes of GABA, amongst other things, are manufactured in Lörrach, Germany, and mouth-/dental rinses are produced in Therwil, Switzerland.

The headquarters and subsidiaries of GABA have, amongst other things, the following divisions and departments: Research & Development, Scientific Affairs, Marketing, Market Development, Dental, Customer Development, Public Relations & Communication, Human Resources, Finance and Supply Chain.
Why surprising? This was 6 years ago, back in 2004. The company was too big for Switzerland but too small to venture out into the world on it's own. It was the only way forward.
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Old 20.07.2010, 00:46
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

Dear Crumbs,
I think to have opened a CAN OF WORMS.....however, I have worked for 31 years, in five countries and have been puzzled with this obvious YELLOWNESS of the teeth, while working in Switzerland. (total of 11 years in CH). So, I asked my Swedish boss, who explained the nature of the different fluorides, which I found interesting. This occurred 4 years ago, while working at a large clinic in Zürich. Since then, I have been repeatedly surprised by this occurrence and always think the public deserves to know, each time I see the HUGE marketing campaign from GABA.

Recently, the new Elmex Erosion product was introduced and I was quite keen to find a solution for this ever growing problem, but was disappointed when I pulled out the instruction/information slip inside the box. It includes a warning about potential discoloration. Hmmm. Could still be a good product....

I still do know know anyone, who willingly has yellow/brown teeth....Google "stains from stannous fluoride" and you have enough reading for the evening....
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Old 20.07.2010, 01:31
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

With all due respect, Susan, I have googled the German equivalent of "discolouration by using Elmex" haven't come up with any substantial reports to support your original statement. I've heard that Elmex sensitive is prone to discolour teeth, but pretty much all the dentists and families that I know have been recommending and using Elmex toothpastes for years. I don't spy that many yellow teeth victims in my area.

Google "stannous fluoride and staining"....not specifically an attack on Elmex...
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Old 20.07.2010, 10:00
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Dear Crumbs,
I think to have opened a CAN OF WORMS......
Not a can of worms - just not entirely convinced

I'm genuinely interested and even a little concerned (as a parent who wants the best for their children, naturally).

However, what I find is:

- Elmex has a market share of approx 30 % - are the consumers all wrong? Do 30 % of the people here have yellow/brown teeth? And, if so, could it not be due to coffee, tea, red wine, as one poster already mentioned?

-The Swiss have increasingly better teeth, which is said to be due to the levels of flouride in toothpaste and in salt (added since 1983).


Yours, a little confused
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

Cheers, I don't have problems with my gums at the moment I was using it more as a preventative thing since I want to keep my teeth.

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Lou, there are many good products. It is important to switch around, as the bacteria get used to any product. Just avoid STANNOUS FLUORIDE if you value naturally white teeth.

If you have gum problems, it is most important to daily remove the sticky Plaque, especially BEFORE you go to sleep. (dark, warm, moist conditions...= bacterial growth) USE only a soft toothbrush, or a good electric one, and FLOSS....(I know...no one likes it) Mouth rinses are optional...

IF your gums are bleeding, start flossing each day. IF it doesn't stop within one week (of flossing each day) ...have your teeth professionally cleaned by a professional Dental Hygienist.

HOWEVER, if you have acute gingivitis...Meridol or Chlorihexidene (Curasept 2.0) is recommended, combined with a professional cleaning...ONLY these really stain the teeth....but kill the bacteria...SOMETIMES, antibiotics must be prescribed...

I prefer to start simple first...
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oh no, I use Elmex children's toothpaste for my son! My dentist told me he needs it because there is no flouride in the water here. Is there another brand I can change to?
I am shamelessly bumping myself up here. Does anybody have a suggestion?
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Old 20.07.2010, 10:53
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...The Swiss have increasingly better teeth, which is said to be due to the levels of flouride in toothpaste and in salt (added since 1983).


Yours, a little confused
Confused you are, indeed. The article states that there is NO scientific evidence that explains WHY tooth decay has become less prevalent. They are ASSUMING two reasons - fluoride in seasoning salt (of which the Swissies seem to be using a lot - my personal opinion) and increased sealing of molars. Tooth paste is only mentioned in the headline, not in the article, sorry.
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I am shamelessly bumping myself up here. Does anybody have a suggestion?
Why the panic? Are your child's teeth discoloured? Elmex is one of the best toothpastes there are, from what I have heard and experienced.
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Confused you are, indeed. The article states that there is NO scientific evidence that explains WHY tooth decay has become less prevalent. They are ASSUMING two reasons - fluoride in seasoning salt (of which the Swissies seem to be using a lot - my personal opinion) and increased sealing of molars. Tooth paste is only mentioned in the headline, not in the article, sorry.
... thank you ... obviously read it a bit too fast last night.
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

I use Colgate mostly, the one in the gold tube.
I rinse my mouth afterwards with Meridol mouthwash.

This is what my hygienist told me to do.

It does cause some discoloration but not much and then my hygienist cleans it away anyway.

I was in the US last year and by chance my toothpaste ran out so I bought some there. I bought a tube of Colgate that looked exactly like the one I buy here and also had the same name. It did tatste differently though. Using it made my teeth turn very white, even though I continued using the Meridol in parallel. So mybe the Meridol wasn't the cuplrit after all?

This just shows that just because the packaging and name are the same that you can't assume it's got the same stuff inside.

When I asked my hygienist about this she laughed and said that in the US they are allowed to use lots of substances that would scare the sh** out of most dentists here.

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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

All this talk has got me thinking about my dental hygiene theory again .

I went for a cleaning/checkup/x-rays in 1992, all good no problems.

The next time I went was a few months ago, 18 years later . That was only because my wife forced me as she was sure I must have loads of cavities after all those years.

The hygienist picked away some tartar, buzzed around with the little grinder a bit, and when she was done I asked her when she thought was the last time I went in for a cleaning. She guessed over a year (technically she was right). When I told her how long it had been her eyes grew and she said I must have a hell of a brushing and flossing regime. I just said, "Not really", which equates to brushing once a day, no floss (hehehe). We then did a full run of x-rays to see if there was any hidden damage- nada.

So the theory is that we mess around with our teeth too much, and that's what gets them. Honestly for weeks after the pro cleaning my teeth felt and looked dirtier at the end of the day than they had in years. They are finally back to their normal slightly yellow, crooked glory.

My unofficial MD (father in law) says I just lucked out and have a mouth ph that protects my teeth. I think it's my excellent restraint .

I do have one cavity from age 13 or so, but growing up in the deep south us kids drank about 2 liters of Coca Cola every evening.
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Old 20.07.2010, 14:36
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

It would be nice to have a perfect recipe for dental health. The dental organizations have done masses of studies to determine what can be done to influence general populations; thus the ideas like fluoride. (well some people will argue this point..) Basically, there are four factors:
1) genetics
2) environment (in the mouth...dietary, bacterial, disease, etc.)
3) hygiene
4) quality of dental services

If you have good genes, the other points don't matter so much. If not, you may want to fight the odds, and try preventive care. It is really not nice to live without teeth or to spend thousands each year to repair them.

BTW, since the introduction of dental hygiene into Switzerland, starting about 30 years ago, the oral health has increased dramatically. Now,is this from the salt? I don't think so! You should have seen the teeth, in 1986, when I arrived!!! I did not need an ultrasonic, but a JACK-HAMMER! Really.

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What's your opinion on Candida products from Migros?We use them all the
time.
I wouldn't have anything against it apart from the name..How can anyone manufacture a health related product and call it Candida, funny.

Suzan, what would be the opinion on Enzycal by Curaprox? I have had it for about a year and am quite happy with it, not that I study my teeth for the whiteness, so I am not sure of any discoloration. I wonder if the discoloration from other toothpastes could be from the artificial sweeteners? Who knows..
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Re: BROWN and YELLOW teeth from toothpastes

I'm very confused. I have heard many many people (professionals included) say that Elmex were by far the best tooth paste you can get for your teeth. Me being obsessed with mine, started using Elmex 2 years ago (regular tooth paste combined with whitening/intensive cleaning onces from the same brand) and my teeth are excellent, color, state and I've noticed they are cleaner and more white than before.
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