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Afterschool activities for young kids

Hi all...

My wife and I now both work and sadly do not trust our youngest child at home for up to 3 hours without supervision...

Anyone know how I can find local activities for her??? study groups/sports/clubs - anything so that we know where she will be!



Thanks in advance
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Hi all...

My wife and I now both work and sadly do not trust our youngest child at home for up to 3 hours without supervision...

Anyone know how I can find local activities for her??? study groups/sports/clubs - anything so that we know where she will be!



Thanks in advance
Marc

How old is the child? Does she attend local school? They would have some information there about local activities. Some communities offer after school care (usually for young children). She can't be that young if you are asking about a study group. Are there older siblings too? I assume so as you said "youngest child".

A bit more info would be useful.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Hello Mrs Doolittle (I love the name by the way!)

Thank you for the relevant questions...here are my answers:

My daughter whom we are concerned about is 9 years old and goes to the local school (in Oberrohrdorf).

She has an older brother (11 years old) who goes to the RIK in Baden but the classes do not align at all on some days - ex. Friday, daughter El is back home at 15:45, my wife and I around 18:00 and my son at 16:45 due to late classes that day.

We have asked the teacher and assistant teacher but have had very little success there - we plan to ask the school administrator/director next chance we have and we hope to ask at the Gemeinde as well.

I mentioned study group - a paid supervised group would be best as she is having motivation problems here due to German and we have had success in the past (when we were in Belgium and she was learning Dutch) with after school study classes where she could also get help from the supervisor.

Our 2 main concerns are Wed. when she has a half day and our son D a full day and Friday as mentioned already.

Anyway - any guidance/help would be great.

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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Thanks for the information. I see the problem but I am not sure going beyond the teacher is going to help you find much much locally. There is of course the opportunity to talk to the Gemeinde but then I am not sure you want them to know you have a 9 year old home alone. You live in a very affluent fluent village (so you have low taxes ) a very "Swiss" one, with many stay-at-home moms.

Have you met any other international families with children the same age? Does your daughter have a few close friends? That is often a good solution, a formal arrangement with one of the friend's moms. Offer to pay. Otherwise I would say that you should put a notice up at the local grocery store and see what comes of that. There could be a family nearby willing to help.

I have always worked so I know the challenge but our kids are close in age and had the same timetable in Baden. Back then there was no school lunch program and I had the teacher calling me and complaining the kids were home alone at lunch and didn't have a hot lunch.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Concern ? Even if a child was perfectly behaved at all times, I would not leave a 9 year old home alone.
No way.

Why not find a tagesmutter for a few hours ?
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Concern ? Even if a child was perfectly behaved at all times, I would not leave a 9 year old home alone.
No way.

Why not find a tagesmutter for a few hours ?
I say it depends on the 9 year old.

But here is a Tagesmutter advertising:

http://kinderbetreuung.liliput.ch/it....aspx?Id=23620
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Our son will be ok to supervise her most days and our daughter will join the gym class on Fridays - so that only leaves Wed afternoon...

Thanks for the links for tagsmutter - we'll check into it.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Yes, but he is only 11!
Surely a responsible adult could work wonders- very few youngsters are motivated enough to study when "home alone". And the parents are just relieved they "behave".
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Yes, but he is only 11!
Surely a responsible adult could work wonders- very few youngsters are motivated enough to study when "home alone". And the parents are just relieved they "behave".
Are you volunteering?

When both parents work out of necessity then the options become limited in a country like Switzerland - hence the reason for this thread.

In other countries the school would offer a paid after school club where we had the option that the supervisors monitored and assisted with the kids homework before they were allowed to play with the other kids...here, that is not an option.

We have always and always will check homework on a daily basis but at a certain point the children needs to start taking more responsibility for things.

This is one point where I agree very much with the Swiss culture, children should take responsibility for themselves from a young age (kids walk to school by themselves from kindergarden!!!). I for one think most countries overly coddle children and they either become spoiled or are not prepared to take care of themselves at a latter age when we think they should.
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Are you volunteering?

When both parents work out of necessity then the options become limited in a country like Switzerland - hence the reason for this thread.
If both parents work then you choose to live in a town with a Tageschule structure. You don't choose the house before you figure out what you are going to do with your kids and it certainly doesn't make sense to rent an expensive house with a big garden that requires two incomes.

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In other countries the school would offer a paid after school club where we had the option that the supervisors monitored and assisted with the kids homework before they were allowed to play with the other kids...here, that is not an option.
Not in your village.

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We have always and always will check homework on a daily basis but at a certain point the children needs to start taking more responsibility for things.
So you mean the 11 year old has to take responsibility for his 9 year old sister?

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This is one point where I agree very much with the Swiss culture, children should take responsibility for themselves from a young age (kids walk to school by themselves from kindergarden!!!). I for one think most countries overly coddle children and they either become spoiled or are not prepared to take care of themselves at a latter age when we think they should.
Walking to school can hardly be compared to coming home to an empty house. I think you will find amongst your "Swiss" neighbours that leaving a 9 year old at home until parents get home at 18:00 is not in their culture.
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If both parents work then you choose to live in a town with a Tageschule structure. You don't choose the house before you figure out what you are going to do with your kids and it certainly doesn't make sense to rent an expensive house with a big garden that requires two incomes.
As I am sure you are aware, when moving to a new country it is not always possible to know all of the details of the place you are moving to as it is not just a question of driving down the road to check or asking a friend/colleague who lives in the are. Also, I personally do not see the advantage of living a lower lifestyle in Switzerland just to be here...but since you ask, my wife works for 2 reasons:

1. to obtain the permit for me as she is from the EU and I am not
2. she would (like most people) would go nuts staying at home for the rest of her life because we have kids

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So you mean the 11 year old has to take responsibility for his 9 year old sister?
No - each child eventually needs to become responsible for their own things (cleaning their room, clearing their dishes, doing their homework)...but, when the 11 year old gets paid to babysit - then yes, he is also responsible for the younger sibling.

And before someone asks - let me ask, at what age did you start babysitting? I think 11 is a bit young but my son is very mature and responsible for his age so I have no problem letting him babysit for a few hours.

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Walking to school can hardly be compared to coming home to an empty house. I think you will find amongst your "Swiss" neighbours that leaving a 9 year old at home until parents get home at 18:00 is not in their culture.
Our son - who is 2 years older, is with her most afternoons for the 2 hours between when they get home and when we get home. I personally agree that 9 alone for more than an hour is risky.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Pleeease, advertise for a paid adult to mind your children. If, as you say, your partner is working to enable you to have the work permit, then I am presuming her working is not just financial necessity. Therefore you are able to budget for the childminding.

I see that other replies have been quite harsh in their comments also regarding having someone to mind your children - nothing said about their own circumstances. However, I am aksing it after having been a parent whose children ( even younger than yours) were left alone at home while I was at work. Nothing bad ever happened and they are both now adult tertiary educated professionals with no obvious problems, but I look back and thing of how big a chance that was - things could have so easily have gone wrong.

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As I am sure you are aware, when moving to a new country it is not always possible to know all of the details of the place you are moving to as it is not just a question of driving down the road to check or asking a friend/colleague who lives in the are.
Working in the relocation business I am very aware that families with children seek help. You didn't think you needed help, you had your "shortlist".
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So then you run the risk of ending up in a village without the resources you really need. It's not just about bricks and mortar.

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Also, I personally do not see the advantage of living a lower lifestyle in Switzerland just to be here
Well lifestyle has a price.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

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Thanks for the reply. It has always been our intention to have supervised activities for our daughter any time she is on her own for more than an hour (our son we push that out to about 3 hours as he has proven to us he is responsible enough for it)...the problem has been finding relevant activities or persons for the job.

Thanks to this thread, I now has 2 tagsmutter contacts in town and will contact them on Monday morning.

Of course, we will still be looking at other options for the other days but that is more for to keep the kids (both) active so we will be focusing on sports that run after school for kids (football, basketball, cycling etc).
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Thanks to this thread, I now has 2 tagsmutter contacts in town and will contact them on Monday morning.
You might find this link Die Tagesfamilien Region Baden useful.
Your village is covered by this region. Their office is in Dättwil, might be worth a visit.

Hope you find a good solution.
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2. she would (like most people) would go nuts staying at home for the rest of her life because we have kids


Ouch. Now I feel bad for the kids.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Not sure about your area, but most swiss towns and cities have a number of things on offer for 9-year olds. Just to give you an idea, and it really does depend on the interests of your child, things on offer here for 8 year olds include--music, swimming, dance, horseriding, gymnastics, tennis, football, etc. I would explore your childs' interests and then contact the local club or organisation offering the subject of interest. If you want supervised homework or help with German, it is also very likely to find a private tutor or older student/babysitter who could do this function, depending on your needs of professionalism.

The problem with the outside afterschool activities is often transportation, whereby you may need a babysitter/day mother/nanny to collect from school and bring to the activity and then home. Generally all this can be arranged but with some effort and a lot of phone calls. Generally look at the yellow pages for clubs/activities on offer, look at local paper for adverts for tutors/babysitters, and of course ask around locally.
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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

I have children the exact same ages as yours, and while I agree that on most days they'd be just fine in the house alone, you just never know what could happen. If anything were to go badly wrong, I would hate for either of them to have to live with the emotional pain of that responsibility.

I definitely suggest that you try to have a responsible adult available for them on each of the afternoons that you can not be with them. If you would be willing to pay for after-school care at school, it's not much different to pay for it at home.

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Re: Afterschool activities for young kids

Hello AthenaCarey.

I understand what you're saying and I agree with it...

however, our long term plan for them is to have them more involved outside of the house in after-school activities (sports, clubs, organized and supervised groups) so that they have both the supervision and make more friends locally - it's always hard for kids to move to a new country and by forcing them to be out and social in this manner we hope to make the transition as short for them as possible.

The tagsmutter option is one we will use but probably only for the days where they are not in school for periods of time that cannot be filled by other activities like footy, gym, study group or things like that.
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