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Old 04.05.2011, 00:03
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Americans can take cuts
while that may be the case, i think a politician selling an easier option might do better...
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Is this a FOREX thread? Americans can take cuts, we aren't Greeks. We can take it down to the bone.
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Sorry.
We'll see, when the next budget is up for discussion.
Maybe the problem is not the American people, but the political class.
As we say in Germany: "Everybody gets the politicians they deserve".

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50 trillion, where does that number come from?
Google "american unfunded liabilities"?

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And finally, a weak US dollar is great for the US economy, manufacturing demands soar.
And what does the US manufacture?
Almost everything is outsourced to Asia or Mexico.
Also, the manufacturing-knowledge itself is outsourced.


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Maybe not if you are trading dollars. But then again, one day some one will find out that Switzerland sold most of it's gold a while ago, and that this currency isn't a commodity based trade, and might look elsewhere; just my two cents...1.5 rappen.
For a country of its size, it's still a lot (just behind China).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve
But Switzerland has a lot less debt and liabilities.
I agree that a lot of the value in Switzerland is based on the fact that large corporations use it to write-off large amounts of money off their tax-bill.
But there's still a lot of manufacturing done here (Switzerland has a positive balance of trade with China) - and thus a lot of knowledge and value creation.


The US really has to get its spending-problem under control.
Otherwise, the consequences will be very, very bad - and as all economies are connected, it will also be bad for us here in Europe, no doubt.
So, please get your act together.
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Is this a FOREX thread? Americans can take cuts, we aren't Greeks. We can take it down to the bone.
take cuts where? in military spending?
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Old 04.05.2011, 14:00
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Re: Franc dollar parity CHF=USD

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Is this a FOREX thread? Americans can take cuts, we aren't Greeks. We can take it down to the bone.
50 trillion, where does that number come from?
And finally, a weak US dollar is great for the US economy, manufacturing demands soar. Maybe not if you are trading dollars. But then again, one day some one will find out that Switzerland sold most of it's gold a while ago, and that this currency isn't a commodity based trade, and might look elsewhere; just my two cents...1.5 rappen.
Hi confloozed

Please understand that I had to make a hard decision about my US investments and made the decision to sell out. It is not, in any way, an indication of my feelings towards the US or its people for which and whom I have fond memories and ties.

It was a decision that came about 95% because of cold facts and 5% from empirical evidence. Below is my resulting opinion...

While I think Americans are capable of taking some strain, I am much more sceptical of the population (and of the west in general) to accept the level of strain, the kind of cutting that is necessary to get fifty trillion under control. I mean, you are talking about raising retirement to something closer to 70, to cutting (massively) Medicare and Medicaid, to cut the military. As far as universal health care- forget it. Raising taxes on already hard hit families- no chance. There is just no way, in the real world (we can wish and hope all we like) that any politician will stand on that kind of platform and be elected. In fact, it looks like the opposite, like spend and burn Obama will be the one to lead the world into the next financial crisis.

On top of all that, we haven't even begun to discuss State's debts. Almost certainly, the Federal government will bail them out adding even more debt to the pile. In fact, that is one of the most likely tipping points in my opinion. The one where suddenly only the Fed shows up to the treasury auction and we have a full blown currency crisis. This is an incredible disaster for the US and the world in the short term and it is not even on the radar for most folks, because, sadly, it involves a little financial understanding and research to comprehend. I think it will have to have become a crisis before it will be accepted.

Sometimes I think that there must be some game changing technology that Washington has in its back pocket, but actually it is just following the well trodden paths of super powers (The Romans and The British as examples) who forget their financial underpinnings, become overstretched and implode.

BTW-

50 Trillion is total US debt including unfunded liabilities. Actually, I think it is 50 and change now and it is variable depending on what you include, but mainly I think of SS and Medicare/Medicaid and so on.

Weak currencies are a disaster for countries as a whole-
*They ravage saving, which is wealth, which provides the fuel a healthy economy needs to fund investment.
They make everything more expensive and cause pain for people earning that currency (food and fuel etc, etc).
Manufacturers who import materials (most in this day an age) can balance the increased cost to foreigners against their lower manufacturing costs.

Switzerland is one of the premier safe havens because its fundementals are very sound, plus it has a reliable history (several hundred years or more) of protecting wealth from all manner of threats. It may not be gold backed, but the faith and credit of the Swiss nation is about as good a case for fiat money as one can find. What other nation has a whole currency printed and sitting in reserve, just in case the present one becomes corrupted! The CHF is, as far as I am concerned, the next best thing to gold.

The only criticism I have of the Swiss is that they should be letting the Franc float more freely and not playing so much ball with overtaxed, inefficient bullies like the US and Europe. That said I will volunteer for the militia to protect the borders when the crisis hits

*Historically, the US funded its own investment with domestic savings (low and no taxes and light regulation meant people saved), but over the past 40 years the US has had to rely increasingly on foreign savers (the Chinese primarily) to fund the party. Right now, even they (foreign banks) are reluctant to loan to the US- it's the FED that is buying most of the new bond issues, ie just printing money!!!! The only reason foreign banks are still buying is damage limitation- they are terrified of a dollar collapse because it will wipe out their USD holdings even faster than the current inflation. Ever wonder why someone would buy a treasury that yields barely above inflation? Why Japan, who needs to billions of dollars to rebuild damaged infrastructure, isn't cashing in its trillion USD reserves? Everyone is hoping for a miracle that the USD (and their investments) won't be wiped out.

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Re: Franc dollar parity CHF=USD

Everyone should see this video, and I rarely say that-

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Re: Franc dollar parity CHF=USD

So if I were to convert CHF to USD, would you recommend opening a USD account at a Swiss bank? What other methods are there? Somewhere, I had heard of a SWAP strategy but I am not sure what it entails.

Thanks for your input!
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So if I were to convert CHF to USD, would you recommend opening a USD account at a Swiss bank?
wouldn't it just be easier to put it in a metal container and set your CHFs on fire?
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Re: Franc dollar parity CHF=USD

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We're some five months later than the original post and the dollar is at .86chf...
For people having or living from dollar earnings or savings here in Switzerland, it must be rather harsh days.
Does anyone have any opinions on the further evolution?
To me, the issue is quite simple. The SNB is no better at sound monetary policy and currency management than the next central bank. However, the difference between the SNB and U.S. Federal Reserve is the size (capacity) of the later's printing press.

Seriously, though, if you compare the CHF to the USD by any conventional metric - the bond market, GDP, the M1, M2, etc. money supply measurements - it is possible to conclude that even if the SNB did want to create fiat at the same rate as the U.S. Fed (in order to slow the CHF's rate of appreciation), it could not as there might not be any takers.

Based on this (among other things), I am of the opinion that over the longer term the CHf should continue to appreciate vs. the USD.
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Old 06.05.2011, 10:36
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To me, the issue is quite simple. The SNB is no better at sound monetary policy and currency management than the next central bank. However, the difference between the SNB and U.S. Federal Reserve is the size (capacity) of the later's printing press.

Seriously, though, if you compare the CHF to the USD by any conventional metric - the bond market, GDP, the M1, M2, etc. money supply measurements - it is possible to conclude that even if the SNB did want to create fiat at the same rate as the U.S. Fed (in order to slow the CHF's rate of appreciation), it could not as there might not be any takers.

Based on this (among other things), I am of the opinion that over the longer term the CHf should continue to appreciate vs. the USD.
weakening the CHF isn't really the most important goal. switzerland could just spread nuclear radiation over all of switzerland, or sell off all key assets to the Germans for €1. unfortunately, what the SNB did with QE was along the lines of the 2nd option, but they seem to have stopped for now.
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Re: Franc dollar parity CHF=USD

Interesting discussion, need to read more in detail.
Particularly that - in the process of leaving Switzerland - I am looking at what to move, what to convert in USD in short term and long term.

Leaving behind pension funds invested in CHF sounds reasonable and a good diversification; on the other hand, cash funds are needed for down payments etc, so should to be moved.

Throwing a stone in the pond, any further thinking on the subject will be much appreciated.
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Found this today. Scary Stuff

US Debt Clock

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

External Debt to GBP ratio is very worrying for the UK

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

This is quite cool too look at the Silver figures...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/gold-precious-metals.html
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Re: Franc dollar parity CHF=USD

I was in discussions yesterday with a well respected analyst. His view on the rates is this:

We have now seen a move in the traditional understanding of the currency rates. Over the last few decades it was safe to assume USD of 1 - 1.2 CHF and GBP at 2chf (1.8-2.2) that has now moved.

The CHF is on the hot end of its new variance at the moment - long term settling around 0.9 (at most). The GBP is far more cyclic - but don't expect it to go back anywhere near historical levels.
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When I first came here (1982), the exchange rate was 2.3

When I moved here in 1986, it was about 1.9, now it's half that.

So, historically speaking, the USD has been falling against the CHF since WW2.

No reason to expect that to change.

Tom

i certianly hope USD can go up a bit eventually since i am still paid by USD here.
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this is a bunch of crap. the real value of the dollar is based on what goods and services it can be exchanged for. I assure you that even if the world stopped using USD as the global currency, there is enough demand for goods and services which can be paid for in USD to prevent this sort of catastrophic collapse.
The dollar is currently readily exchangeable for oil at a 'reasonable' price, partially enforced by US military might.

If the dollar lost it's reserve currency status, those bits of paper wouldn't buy much oil any more.

People would stop selling their goods for dollars. They would want to exchange their goods for the new reserve currency, the new paper that can actually buy them the oil.
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The dollar is currently readily exchangeable for oil at a 'reasonable' price, partially enforced by US military might.

If the dollar lost it's reserve currency status, those bits of paper wouldn't buy much oil any more.

People would stop selling their goods for dollars. They would want to exchange their goods for the new reserve currency, the new paper that can actually buy them the oil.
the US dollar is in effect a petro-dollar, backed by oil and guaranteed by US military power. i don't see the US allowing you to buy oil for something other than dollars any time soon.
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the US dollar is in effect a petro-dollar, backed by oil and guaranteed by US military power. i don't see the US allowing you to buy oil for something other than dollars any time soon.
It will be interesting to see whether the current depreciation of western currencies (led by the dollar) is a permanent reaction to the medium term prospect of the dollar losing reserve status; or is it just a temporary devaluation (with dollars becoming much more valuable again, before they eventually decline).
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