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18.08.2011, 14:29
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS
I have just completed (earlier this month) the transfer of my private pension offshore under QROPS (trustees in Guernsey custodian in the Isle of Man).
The whole process was quite painless and took about 3 months. The immediate advantages are: - - no UK tax deducted when amount moved offshore, no capital gains (Swiss taxes apply)
- - the investments will pass to my heirs, often a pension plan does not
- - total control over future investments and withdrawals
- - currencies easily changed
- - up to 30% immediate drawdown UK tax free
Many baulk at the fees (mine will be around 2.5% pa). However, previously I have had no idea of the charges made by Norwich Union and then Aviva when they took them over. I simply received an annual statement - sometimes up sometimes down.
The capital remains in sterling at the present and due to the turmoil in the markets, I am in cash. But will want to get into CHFs eventually.
The Geneva-based company I did this through are Forth Capital. I am simply a client, but have no hesitation in recommending them. I have found them honest, quick to respond and efficient...
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18.08.2011, 14:42
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[QUOTE=AbFab;1306041] - - the investments will pass to my heirs, often a pension plan does not
Any pension in the UK (before actually receiving an anuity) should pass to whoever you nominate free of any UK inheritance taxes. A UK pension fund is held in trust so does not form part of the estate.
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18.08.2011, 15:44
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | The whole process was quite painless .... I have found them honest, quick to respond and efficient... | | | | | I had the same experience with another company in the same business (a different investment but they also push QROPs) until I read the documentation, understood what it meant and realised that I had been "misled" in a number of ways. The process was pain-free up to that point (such a nice, knowledgeable, helpful, honest chap).
Crucially, they were unable to give a straight answer, let alone a written statement, as to how much they'd take in commission.
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20.08.2011, 12:41
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Unbelievable ! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...-to-QROPS.html
How does a supposedly reputable journalist/paper print such an advertisment without doing a thorough analyses first?
As the journalist lives in Malaga, maybe that's the connection?
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20.08.2011, 21:27
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Before printing they must have done some sort of research into in and more than properly a lot more depth than people on here.
But last week i had an appointment with another company which pushed the pension busting at a fee of 8.9% and was unregulated, it seems this is normal in Spain and nothing is being done about it.
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20.08.2011, 21:34
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Journalists get paid to write stories DV&P get paid by finding mugs who read stories nothing new.
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22.08.2011, 12:47
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | This is the journalist, George Prior: http://georgeprior.co.uk/. Hopefully, if people write to him or The Telegraph, there will be clarification as to why The Telegraph is now endorsing this company. Strange he didn't even check their archive.
As an expat in Spain, perhaps he's just met some really great guys who seem to give expert advice. (He's on LinkedIn.) He could be a shiny new client or about to become one.
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22.08.2011, 12:52
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | But last week i had an appointment with another company which pushed the pension busting at a fee of 8.9% and was unregulated, it seems this is normal in Spain and nothing is being done about it. | | | | | So you're no longer working at DV?
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22.08.2011, 12:57
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Enough. All of this is off topic. Spain has nothing to do with Switzerland. Back on topic please.
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26.09.2011, 12:55
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS British man jailed for offshore scam | Quote: |  | | | A bogus financial adviser has been jailed for three years for running an offshore pensions scam which deprived the taxman of nearly £2 million...
...persuaded clients to release over £3 million from their pensions into bogus offshore funds...
HMRC said that Pearson's customers were expected to now be taxed at a rate of 55 per cent of the amount transferred from their original pension arrangements... | | | | | HMRC establishes specialist team to tackle QROPS abuse | Quote: |  | | | The Anti Fraud Unit (AFU) within Pension Scheme Services has been set up to counter evasion, avoidance and general abuse around pension schemes, particularly targeting those who act outside the legislation. | | | | | | 
09.12.2011, 11:43
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS
Dear whitecat74,
You have the possibility to transfer your UK pension into a Vested Benefits account in Switzerland, provided it's QROPS admitted. I qork for a private bank which actually runs such a scheme and may be able to help you with this.
Please note, however, that every person and case is different and needs to be analysed very carefully. It may or it may not be recommendable to make this transfer depending on your personal circumstances.
If you want to know more about it, just PM me.
Rgds.,
QROPSprovider
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09.12.2011, 12:22
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Whilst this may be an old thread I think this is worth saying. Do not pay anyone to transfer your pension, it is easy enough to do it yourself. The Kantonal banks have a vested pension plan that is QROPS approved, just go to them and ask to open the account and explain you want to transfer a UK pension fund, They will be able to give your documents supporting their QROPS approval etc. Then simply go back to your UK provider and request the transfer documents, mine were sent within a week from both of my providers with cler instructions of what to do.
If you need advice on the different types of investment then fine pay for this but the transfer can actually be done for free, yes there are scheme adminisration charges but they apply to all pension funds worldwide.
I am just quoting the Kantonal fund as an example, please do not take that as any kind of investment advice or recommendation. I am just saying it can be done for free.
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06.02.2012, 11:16
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | The same journalist has since written another two articles for The Telegraph promoting the Beers: Geneva expat ball raises money for charity Geneva expats prepare for charity ball
This suggests that the Telegraph is giving the Beers its endorsement.
A more recent article written elsewhere by the same journalist promoting the Beers, describing himself as a PR consultant: A top conversation: a look at the power of sponsorship
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06.02.2012, 13:16
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Closed to comments, so I got this one instead.
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27.02.2012, 10:16
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: |  | | | Beers says it has moved more than one-third of all QROPS
...said it has handled more than a third of the assets transferred out of the UK and into qualifying recognised overseas pension schemes since QROPS were created in 2006.
The company said it has more than £500m under advice in such schemes, on behalf of its clients, which is roughly 39% of the total of £1.3bn said to have been transferred into QROPS as of the end of 2010 by HM Revenue & Customs. | | | | | Also some interesting comments with that article.
Here's the CEO quoted in a UK magazine aimed at the over-50s: | Quote: |  | | | “QROPS do not force you into buying an annuity. In addition, such a scheme is also significantly more efficient than a SIPP; on your death your funds will not be subject to UK taxes of up to 55 per cent; you can draw down 25 per cent as a tax-free cash sum; and there’s far greater investment and currency flexibility,” confirms Mr. Green. http://www.maturetimes.co.uk/propert...ere-group.html | | | | |
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24.03.2012, 15:25
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS Beers buys 24% stake in QROPS provider | Quote: |  | | | STM Fidecs is perhaps best known to financial advisers with expatriate clients for its active role in the development and provision of qualifying recognised overseas pension schemes (QROPS)....
The fact that STM offers QROPS that may be used by those retiring to or returning to the US could be relevant to Green, since ... of which he is a majority owner, is currently expanding into the US market. | | | | | | 
04.04.2012, 20:46
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | Whilst this may be an old thread I think this is worth saying. Do not pay anyone to transfer your pension, it is easy enough to do it yourself. The Kantonal banks have a vested pension plan that is QROPS approved, just go to them and ask to open the account and explain you want to transfer a UK pension fund, They will be able to give your documents supporting their QROPS approval etc. Then simply go back to your UK provider and request the transfer documents, mine were sent within a week from both of my providers with cler instructions of what to do.
If you need advice on the different types of investment then fine pay for this but the transfer can actually be done for free, yes there are scheme adminisration charges but they apply to all pension funds worldwide.
I am just quoting the Kantonal fund as an example, please do not take that as any kind of investment advice or recommendation. I am just saying it can be done for free. | | | | |
I also hope this thread is kept alive. This information is invaluable.
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04.04.2012, 20:55
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I got a PM from this firm yesterday http://www.c-bm.biz/ifp
What the guy does not get is I dont want to invest in a collective funds, even if he offers 6,000!
I also got a PM from the owner of the 'other' forum who used to be a mod here, he is fishing for business too.
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04.04.2012, 21:18
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That website could do with a makeover.
There are no yachts for a start.
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04.04.2012, 21:24
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| | | Re: Bringing UK pension into Switzerland and QROPS | Quote: | |  | | | That website could do with a makeover.
There are no yachts for a start. | | | | | Perhaps he is legit, anyway I don't what or need advice, any Financial Advisor who 'cold calls' me will get publicity | |
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