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Where to get the tax declaration form VD

Hi,

hopefully one can help.

Working here for 3 years (B permit), and salary in 2012 went over 120,000. I understand I need to sent a tax declaration.

- Do I wait till the canton VD sends me a form to complete, or I have to contact them asking for one?

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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

I f you are registered with them, they come automatically (they'll arrive in the next few days).

But considering that your situation changed, it's safer to send them an email. You can also call them, but their call centre tends to be saturated, and they normally answer pretty quickly by email.
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Hi,

hopefully one can help.

Working here for 3 years (B permit), and salary in 2012 went over 120,000. I understand I need to sent a tax declaration.

- Do I wait till the canton VD sends me a form to complete, or I have to contact them asking for one?

Many Thanks
http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...mpots/vaudtax/

Wait for edition 2013, probably out in a few days/weeks.
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http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...mpots/vaudtax/

Wait for edition 2013, probably out in a few days/weeks.
Many thanks - though it was not what I was looking...
- if I wait for edition 2013, I'll be waiting for another year! (2012 is current version)
- i know the tax submission software and have used it. But this doesnt help. To submit / use the software you need to put into information that you can only find in the tex return they sent you.

Hence my original question, are they good in sending out tax returns to new contribuables, or they need to be reminded of our existance?
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

oh, I was told you can do it directly, even for "a la source" persons.

Strange, I'll check it out.

Edit:
Correct!
It says in french some numbers" are available from a received document.
http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...ns-frequentes/

Let us know your findings, thanks!

Edit2:
Actually, no: look carefully in the FAQ (translate it in google):

Mon code de contrôle ne figure par sur la fourre format A3. Que dois-je faire ?

Si votre code de contrôle ne figure pas sur la fourre format A3 que vous avez reçue, intitulée « Déclaration d’impôt 2012 », il ne vous sera pas possible de nous envoyer votre déclaration d’impôt par internet.

Dans ce cas, il convient de nous retourner votre déclaration d’impôt par la Poste. Si vous choisissez d'utiliser VaudTax, il sera nécessaire de saisir un code de contrôle fictif (exemple : « A12345 »). Cela vous permettra ensuite d'afficher votre déclaration depuis la rubrique « Envoi / Impression » (lien « cliquez ici » en bleu). Nous vous remercions de l’imprimer sur du papier A4 blanc, de la signer et de la placer à l’intérieur de ladite fourre.

In short, you can put a fake code, print your declaration, and send it by mail.
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

Many thanks for your reply.

It's not the 'control code' I had in mind (which you found out how to crack), but more the 'numero de contribuable' which I dont have either, and I think is essenetial to send a declaration.

In any case I don't plan on sending a declaration uninvited. This sounds like a recipe for disaster in the making, probably they will happily process it and then maybe not offest it with my 'a la source' payments, and end up with a 30k tax bill to frantically try to sort out. Even the pdf forms they have are 'disabled for printing', I could probably manage to print them but I wont do that as it seems they are like that for good reason.

What I am trying to find out is if anyone in this situation in the past did receive a form automatically or had to ask for one; and also what time period the declarations arrive in the post so that I know if it's been too long and then I can contact them for one.
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

As I mentioned in my previous post - which for some reason you didn't read:

- the tax forms will arrive in the next two weeks
- the deadline to send them back is March 31st (can easily be extended on demand)
- they can very easily be contacted by email or phone, and are usually very helpful.

Contact them. Better safe than sorry.
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

No, no, I read it, many thanks (i thought I replied, but actually, didn't).

I will wait two weeks and then call if nothing has arrived.
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

Any news?
Did you contact them?

I emailed them 12 days ago, still waiting ( I asked the same questions than you).
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

Hi,

If you don't have a lot to declare then you can use the following form.

http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...ot-simplifiee/

We have been using the same for last 2 years and its quite easy to do. It is possible to declare the 3rd pillar investment using this form.

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Any news?
Did you contact them?

I emailed them 12 days ago, still waiting ( I asked the same questions than you).
Not yet, as I decided to visit them in person in Lausanne.. probably next week. I'll report back if I find something out..

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Hi,
If you don't have a lot to declare then you can use the following form.
http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...ot-simplifiee/
We have been using the same for last 2 years and its quite easy to do. It is possible to declare the 3rd pillar investment using this form.
Good Luck!
According to my employer, this form is for those taxed at source earning less than 120,000 who want an adjustment (re-assessment) of their taxes to account for additional deductions. The reassessment is done using the 'tax at source' calculations. For >120000 one needs the full thing.
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Any news?
Did you contact them?

I emailed them 12 days ago, still waiting ( I asked the same questions than you).
I went by the 'at source' office in Lausanne. Lady told me they don't sent out forms automatically, it's up to individuals to contact them if they have earned over 120k. (Which is silly, as my employer told they they send copies of the salary certificates to vaud tax so they could know if they wanted). She said I have to write a letter addressed to them, saying that I have earned over 120k, and enclose a copy of the salary certificate and a copy of my residence permit. They will then update their records and send me the necessary forms. I said, well since I'm here, and I have the certificate and permit, cant I just tell you (on a piece of paper if necessary)? They said no, you have to send a letter. I guess this is the Swiss way. She said i get a different deadline as it's close to the 15 march, but I shouldn't delay in writing to them. I also said that they should put this info on their website at least, as people out there dont know. Overall, my impression is that they didn't seem overly bothered about it, for people in that situation. Which is strange I thought, as in may case, the impot source is a few 1000s better than the normal taxation, so I'll have to pay quite a large chunk.. I suspect the reason is that they eventualy catch up with people (like may things in ch), so eg next year or when I move to C or whatever, and say, well you didnt do a tax return for the previous year(s), so you'll have to do it now retrospectovely. So I'd rather pay now the difference rather than risk having to pay it next year, on top of the one for that year.
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I went by the 'at source' office in Lausanne. Lady told me they don't sent out forms automatically, it's up to individuals to contact them if they have earned over 120k. (Which is silly, as my employer told they they send copies of the salary certificates to vaud tax so they could know if they wanted). She said I have to write a letter addressed to them, saying that I have earned over 120k, and enclose a copy of the salary certificate and a copy of my residence permit. They will then update their records and send me the necessary forms. I said, well since I'm here, and I have the certificate and permit, cant I just tell you (on a piece of paper if necessary)? They said no, you have to send a letter. I guess this is the Swiss way. She said i get a different deadline as it's close to the 15 march, but I shouldn't delay in writing to them. I also said that they should put this info on their website at least, as people out there dont know. Overall, my impression is that they didn't seem overly bothered about it, for people in that situation. Which is strange I thought, as in may case, the impot source is a few 1000s better than the normal taxation, so I'll have to pay quite a large chunk.. I suspect the reason is that they eventualy catch up with people (like may things in ch), so eg next year or when I move to C or whatever, and say, well you didnt do a tax return for the previous year(s), so you'll have to do it now retrospectovely. So I'd rather pay now the difference rather than risk having to pay it next year, on top of the one for that year.
Thanks for heads up.
For me, it has been approx 1 month, without reply to my email.

Public services...

By the way, I read your answer and something is interesting: you keep mentionning 120K, but this rule does not apply in VAUD-
At least it was not, last year when I checked.

Meaning that you can make a declaration, when taxed a la source, even if your income is < 120K, in Vaud.

Funny, so we have to "force feed" them by sending the form, rather than getting information before.

Ok-
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Thanks for heads up.
For me, it has been approx 1 month, without reply to my email.

Public services...

By the way, I read your answer and something is interesting: you keep mentionning 120K, but this rule does not apply in VAUD-
At least it was not, last year when I checked.

Meaning that you can make a declaration, when taxed a la source, even if your income is < 120K, in Vaud.

Funny, so we have to "force feed" them by sending the form, rather than getting information before.

Ok-
Yes, it's incredible we have to go into all this trouble in order to (perhaps) pay extra. Maybe it's only a small number of people affected...

Here is my take: If as a foreigner you reach 120,000 during the year, you become subject to the normal scheme and have to complete a declaration for revenue (incl revenue taxed a la source) and your fortune. (p17 of the tax declaration guide). It is the same for all cantons, except GE where it is 500,000.

Also mentioned here: http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...-a-chf-120000/ This was the confusing part, as it says "complete the declaration sent at home", which we never got.

If someone earn less than 120,000: (a) I guess they can ask to fill the full declaration, I imagine a millionnaire with huge foreign income who needs to declare everything. Im sure the canton wont say no. (b) There is also a "simplified declaration", 2 pages, for those <120,000, primarily for those who need to get a refund due to Pillar 3 or purchase of extra years of Pillar 2. http://www.vd.ch/themes/etat-droit-f...ot-simplifiee/
In this case however, the calculation of taxes remains according to the 'a la source' rates. In other words, with this form you always get a refund - as you are asking for extra deductions (unless the employer made a mistake or something). This is different to the full declaration, where the calculation is done using very different rates and parameters, doing which may result in a refund or additional tax to pay.
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

Hi,
I've just made the Full declaration using Vaud Tax (took me days, hard to do everything at once).
I haven't had any reply to my emails or phone calls, being calling all day it keeps disconnecting me saying they are busy. (1st email sent over a month ago, 2nd one last week).

1) According to Vaud Tax, I have paid 480CHF more "a la source" rather than if I made the declaration. I'm 100% sure of all the data I put.

2) Now I have printed the document and have serious doubts that they will accept that instead of the "simplified declaration". As I did not earn >120K.

3) I read the "simplified" declaration and it's actually way more complex: no help, no explanations, nothing. It's much more confusing than the Vaud Tax, and the outcome uncertain (no clear result visible).

--> End Result, i'm forced to take some time out off work to go to the office.
Thanks administration and civil servants!!

I should put that in step "Périodes d'interruption de travail sans salaire, ni chômage ou toute autre indemnité " interruption of work, without salary or unemployment or any other compensation".
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Re: Where to get the tax declaration form VD

Update:
I went to the tax office in Lausanne.

As expected, as i don't have >120K income and i'm "a la source", I only could do the "declaration simplifiée". The civil servant helped me good to fill that form and also could calculate an approximation of what "I Should" get back.

We will see after it will be processed and refunded, because he said they were additional elements they were using, not known to public.

But the guy was very helpful and the entire thing including filling additional docs took no longer than 15min.

So the VAUD TAX is simple, well explained, but needs lot of time to read everything.
The "simplified declaration" is harder, a bit more obscure, but with help of the civil servant it's a quick document.

Gosh... I saved* thousands chf of doing it myself rather than paying a tax helper!!

*(or I did not lose)
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