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I was last year in Switzerland working as an intern for 2014 and receiving the minimum salary (around 30000euros). Now I am back to Greece and it is the first time I am doing my tax declaration as I was a student up to now. Does anybody know if I should be declared as a resident abroad for 2014 in order not to pay double taxation? And for the next year 2015 provided that I will be in Greece again how will it work? Will I be declared as a resident in Greece?
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I was last year in Switzerland working as an intern for 2014 and receiving the minimum salary (around 30000euros). Now I am back to Greece and it is the first time I am doing my tax declaration as I was a student up to now. Does anybody know if I should be declared as a resident abroad for 2014 in order not to pay double taxation? And for the next year 2015 provided that I will be in Greece again how will it work? Will I be declared as a resident in Greece?
Hi Chrisa

First piece of advice, try to come back here in Switzerland for good

Now to your specific question, what's important is: did you get a permit (Auslanderausweis) and if yes, what type?

You probably (but, the greek tax authorities being what they are, by no means surely) won't have to pay double tax. It will be a real pity to have to, as with EUR 30k in greece you're considered (and taxed like) Onassis-level rich, while in Switzerland I'm sure you didn't pay any tax at all.

What's also important: until you have researched the issue and get a good understanding of the situation (laws etc) do NOT let the greek eforia know about it. If unsure, your best bet is to declare nothing at all (zero income) as if for this whole time you simply didn't work.
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Hi Chrisa

First piece of advice, try to come back here in Switzerland for good

Now to your specific question, what's important is: did you get a permit (Auslanderausweis) and if yes, what type?

You probably (but, the greek tax authorities being what they are, by no means surely) won't have to pay double tax. It will be a real pity to have to, as with EUR 30k in greece you're considered (and taxed like) Onassis-level rich, while in Switzerland I'm sure you didn't pay any tax at all.

What's also important: until you have researched the issue and get a good understanding of the situation (laws etc) do NOT let the greek eforia know about it. If unsure, your best bet is to declare nothing at all (zero income) as if for this whole time you simply didn't work.

Hi dandraka,

Thank you very much for your answer!

Yeah I know that coming back would be the best but it is not so easy yet

I have transferred through bank some of my money in Greece throughout the year so I wouldn't like to declare nothing in case they notice it at some point and ask where did I bring this money from which is fair.

I don't know it seems really confusing how things work out with that and my tax specialist in Greece had never such a case before so he is not really helpful..
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Now to your specific question, what's important is: did you get a permit (Auslanderausweis) and if yes, what type?
I am sorry I did not answer to that. I had an L permit for 6 months and then I renewed my contract for 6 more months and I got again L permit.
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I have transferred through bank some of my money in Greece throughout the year so I wouldn't like to declare nothing in case they notice it at some point and ask where did I bring this money from which is fair.
Well if you're talking about small amounts (under EUR 1000) then you don't need to worry about it. If it's more then hmmm...

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I don't know it seems really confusing how things work out with that and my tax specialist in Greece had never such a case before so he is not really helpful..
Yeah the typical greek accountant isn't exactly proficient on international tax laws And finding one, unfortunately, is not easy (or cheap).

To be sure, I'm no tax expert myself; I just live here and have filed my tax declaration (both in CH and in GR) a couple of times. But I did a pretty good research on it, mostly because I kept hearing all sorts of different and conflicting things from everybody I asked. As you say yourself, it's pretty confusing

Fortunately, one thing is clear: the treaty for the avoidance of double taxation between CH and GR, which you can find here. Get document number 15 ("Ελβετία (Σύμβαση και συννημένο Πρωτόκολλο)". Your case almost certainly falls under chapter 15 ("Eξαρτημένες προσωπικές υπηρεσίες") which states:

"μισθοί, ημερομίσθια και άλλες αμοιβές παρόμοιας φύσης που αποκτώνται από κάτοικο ενός Συμβαλλόμενου Kράτους για κάποια εξαρτημένη εργασία φορολογούνται μόνο στο Kράτος αυτό, εκτός αν η εργασία αυτή ασκείται στο άλλο Συμβαλλόμενο Kράτος."

I take the following assumptions (you need to validate if they are true):

- Your employer is a company that resides in Switzerland (e.g. either a Swiss or a multinational company which is taxed in Switzerland)
- You were in CH for more than 183 days (i.e. half a year)
- Your employer and work in CH had nothing whatsoever to do with GR

If these assumptions are valid, as is the usual case, then you are perfectly fine, i.e. you don't need to declare this income in your Greek tax declaration. Are they?
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Well if you're talking about small amounts (under EUR 1000) then you don't need to worry about it. If it's more then hmmm...
It was probably like 500-600 a month so yes more than 1000euros throughout the year.

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I take the following assumptions (you need to validate if they are true):

- Your employer is a company that resides in Switzerland (e.g. either a Swiss or a multinational company which is taxed in Switzerland)
- You were in CH for more than 183 days (i.e. half a year)
- Your employer and work in CH had nothing whatsoever to do with GR

If these assumptions are valid, as is the usual case, then you are perfectly fine, i.e. you don't need to declare this income in your Greek tax declaration. Are they?
They are all correct yes.
But still I don't know if it applies only if you are declared as a resident abroad (κάτοικος εξωτερικού) or also if you are a resident in Greece. Because then it can be seen as global income (παγκόσμιο εισόδημα) and it will be taxed in Greece. It is such a mess..
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But still I don't know if it applies only if you are declared as a resident abroad (κάτοικος εξωτερικού) or also if you are a resident in Greece. Because then it can be seen as global income (παγκόσμιο εισόδημα) and it will be taxed in Greece.
That's why I asked what kind of permit you got while here in CH. Actually the type of permit isn't that important; more important is that you got one. Since you were a resident of CH (which is proven by a copy your permit) it's not "global" income anymore, it's income earned from CH while resident (a temporary one, but that doesn't matter) of CH.

In that case, yes, you need to bite the bullet and go ask your local eforia how to deal with this.
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In that case, yes, you need to bite the bullet and go ask your local eforia how to deal with this.
I think I will eventually need to do it yes
Thank you dandraka for your help and advices!
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