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Rubbish tax?

Well I'd say it is brilliant actually. Some of you remember we pay our refuse tax by weight- with a 'credit card' type card used to open the big Mollock bin. You place the bag in, it is weighed automatically, the weight put towards your account with the council, and the bag then drops as you close the bin.

There are no rubbish collections at all. And it works great- certainly concentrates the mind on recycling, composting, etc- Just got our bill for last year- 48.16- rounded down to 48.15- yep for the whole year. Well worth the effort, I'd say, and a bargain.
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Well I'd say it is brilliant actually. Some of you remember we pay our refuse tax by weight- with a 'credit card' type card used to open the big Mollock bin. You place the bag in, it is weighed automatically, the weight put towards your account with the council, and the bag then drops as you close the bin.

There are no rubbish collections at all. And it works great- certainly concentrates the mind on recycling, composting, etc- Just got our bill for last year- 48.16- rounded down to 48.15- yep for the whole year. Well worth the effort, I'd say, and a bargain.
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Re: Rubbish tax?

Oh, and here I thought you were proposing a tax for certain posts on EF...
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Re: Rubbish tax?

Have you weighed a bin bag full of nappies recently?
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Well I'd say it is brilliant actually. Some of you remember we pay our refuse tax by weight- with a 'credit card' type card used to open the big Mollock bin. You place the bag in, it is weighed automatically, the weight put towards your account with the council, and the bag then drops as you close the bin.

There are no rubbish collections at all. And it works great- certainly concentrates the mind on recycling, composting, etc- Just got our bill for last year- 48.16- rounded down to 48.15- yep for the whole year. Well worth the effort, I'd say, and a bargain.
You obviously have cheap, crappy rubbish - mine is worth much more.

I also pay by weight in a provided wheelie bin (which I still had to pay for), which has a chip on it; and I assume the lifter on the back of the cart, weighs as it lifts and automatically logs it against my info on the chip.

My direct bill was about 250ish - on top of what I pay included in the Gemeinde taxes.


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Have you weighed a bin bag full of nappies recently?
Take 'em to the recycling and just follow your nose to find the right bin.
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Have you weighed a bin bag full of nappies recently?
Well, the argument re-usable (later edited!!Thanks 22 Yards) versus disposable nappies has definitely tipped in the favour of the former in this area, that is for sure:

http://youtu.be/Z2cQW8ZlA8k

My niece uses a dual system- disposable at night, and re-usable during the day- and is very happy. Used with a liner, they are so easy and there is actually relatively little washing. When I had my kids in the early 70s- there was no choice- for big square terry nappies were indeed a pain (friends of ours had triplets and 1 18month old ).

The local council is currently studying the feasibility of a provide/collect/wash and return service for the area. Very common in the UK these days- despite the fact there is no disposal cost (all in landfill!!!!) - at least here they are incinerated.


Timow- my rubbish is not cheaper cheeky- but think of the cost of that fancy truck- and more importantly, the staff salaries, pensions, etc - and here you go. We never make a special trip to take the rubbish or recycling to the bin, but do it on the way to shopping, etc- so no cost at all there. The Mollock bin is about 300m away and they are dotted very regularly in the area.

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Re: Rubbish tax?

Odile, although we use the plastic sack system, think we pay around similar yearly cost as you.

We are fortunate as have a car and recycle a lot.
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Re: Rubbish tax?

How do you suppose the rubbish gets from the bin to wherever it's supposed to go?

A fancy truck I'd assume
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How do you suppose the rubbish gets from the bin to wherever it's supposed to go?

A fancy truck I'd assume
Didn't you read the post? It's a Morlock bin. The Morlocks obviously drag it through their subterranean passages to their dark, dank Morlock landfill.
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Re: Rubbish tax?

Actually we have a similar system so I know what Odile means when she says they have no collection - I think she means they have no rubbish collection day but instead can just put their bin bag in the big dumper bin (morlock??? Didn't know that was their name) when ever they want. I was always so bad at remembering bin day and would have to dash out at 6am when I heard them driving down the road. This way, you get to throw your rubbish out on any day you like - good for forgetful types like me.
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Re: Rubbish tax?

We've also got the chip/container weighing system and I'm looking forward to the next bill to see how much the snow on top of the bin cost me this winter.
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Actually we have a similar system so I know what Odile means when she says they have no collection - I think she means they have no rubbish collection day but instead can just put their bin bag in the big dumper bin (morlock??? Didn't know that was their name) when ever they want. I was always so bad at remembering bin day and would have to dash out at 6am when I heard them driving down the road. This way, you get to throw your rubbish out on any day you like - good for forgetful types like me.
Yep, that is it. To be fair, one fancy truck with a lift is required- but as the bins can hold 5 cubic meters- they don't have to be changed too often. That means ONE fancy truck and TWO staff- for the whole area of 11 villages- instead of the previous 8 with umpteen staff- a huge saving for the taxpayers- who therefore support the system, despite the usual moaners at the beginning.

http://youtu.be/KDiPQ_ivNl4

It's amazing actually how communities have helped with the elderly and other people without transport, etc.

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Re: Rubbish tax?

We pay about the same annually as that for the three of us using the pay per bag system. We average one 35l bag every other week at 2chf per bag so about 52chfs per year. We also recycle at lot but we did that already before the tax per bag system was introduced. In our commune they have reduced the number of collections from two per week to one as the amount of refuse has decreased dramatically since the changes in 2012.

There is also the fixed tax per household payable once per year and dependant on number of people living there.
Do you not have that where you are? I thought the 'taxe sur déchets incinérables' applied to the whole canton.
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Yep, that is it. To be fair, one fancy truck with a lift is required- but as the bins can hold 5 cubic meters- they don't have to be changed too often. That means ONE fancy truck and TWO staff- for the whole area of 11 villages- instead of the previous 8 with umpteen staff- a huge saving for the taxpayers- who therefore support the system, despite the usual moaners at the beginning.

http://youtu.be/KDiPQ_ivNl4

It's amazing actually how communities have helped with the elderly and other people without transport, etc.
Not such a big saving when those 6 people can't find another job and are on the social
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Re: Rubbish tax?

It sounds like a great business plan to get people to pay for something they thought they'd paid for already with their taxes. No wonder that it costs twice as much.

Make no mistake the garbage collection here in Geneva is excellent, and the Voirie offers a great service collecting large items for free. It would seem impossible for the private sector to offer better value.

I imagine Molok's next big idea will be to install those card swipey things on people's toilets. You guys will get it first so I'll watch out for it here.
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It sounds like a great business plan to get people to pay for something they thought they'd paid for already with their taxes. No wonder that it costs twice as much..
I'm a fan of the "polluter pays" principle, especially as a single person who is careful with what packaging I bring home. I strip over-packaged stuff in the shops (I'm not talking about a brothel here ) and leave the waste behind; most shops/supermarkets have bins for this very purpose.
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Well, the argument re disposable versus throw-away nappies has definitely tipped in the favour of the former in this area, that is for sure
I'm not so sure. I just can't make my mind up; which is preferable, disposable or throw-away?
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I'm a fan of the "polluter pays" principle
I'm a fan of the "not carrying bin bags further than absolutely necessary" principle.
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I'm a fan of the "not carrying bin bags further than absolutely necessary" principle.
Just leave them in your house. As a bonus you'll save money.
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