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Taxes from Kanton Zürich

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if someone help me to sort this out.
I have a B permit (EU citizen) and I worked from 1st of Jan 2014 to 30th of Nov 2014.The 1st of Dec 2014 I move to Ticino.
My 2014 income in Zurich, was lower than 120k.
Today I have received a letter from Kanton Zürich asking me to fill out the tax form.
The question is the 120k threshold is considered for each canton or for Switzerland in general?
Another thing is that since I pay taxes at the source, they told me in 2013 that I have no to fill out the taxes module...
Any experience?

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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

It's Switzerland as a whole.


You don't pay tax at source. You pay withholding tax that is an average for your predicted situation. Either party can choose to have the correct amount calculated (by filling in a tax return so that all of the information for your situation is collected). This is automatic if your reported income is above 120 000.
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Old 13.05.2015, 09:46
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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

Hi, thanks for your reply.

I know that you pay the taxes to your gemeinde, so if I have to fill out the taxes form, I have to do twice, since I change canton, but I didn't receive anything from Ticino.
Am I wrong?
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Old 13.05.2015, 10:13
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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

You only fill out taxes in one place, even if you move to another canton.

Normally, it's the place you lived on 31 December.

You can verify at the tax office in Lugano.

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You only fill out taxes in one place, even if you move to another canton.

Normally, it's the place you lived on 31 December.

You can verify at the tax office in Lugano.

Tom
The Zurich gemeinde just answered me, saying that based on their calculation I have earned more than 120k and I have to fill out tha tax form and send to them.
I will follow your suggestion and I will go to the Comune here.
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You don't pay tax at source. You pay withholding tax that is an average for your predicted situation.
I think you're confusing two things here.

For B permit and <120k you do pay tax at source - i.e. the employer pays it directly to the tax office.

Withholding tax is a different concept for non-employment income such as dividends and interest.

You are right though that it's an average for the predicted situation, as the company doesn't know your full financial setup and liabilities/offsets. Whether this means you would gain (or lose) by doing a tax return can only be found by working through the numbers in detail.
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The Zurich gemeinde just answered me, saying that based on their calculation I have earned more than 120k and I have to fill out tha tax form and send to them.
I will follow your suggestion and I will go to the Comune here.
You don't go to the comune, you go to the tax office, which, depending where you live, is in Lugano, Mendrisio, Bellinzona, Biasca, or Locarno.

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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

The 120k threshold is is up projected for the whole year. For ex. 60k in 6 Months means 120k in 12 months.


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You only fill out taxes in one place, even if you move to another canton.

Normally, it's the place you lived on 31 December.
Apperentlz with tax at source this rule is not so clear any more.

Just look out that you do not get taxed twice for the same income. Otherwise, look forward to a weird legal battle that has been fought before:

http://www.baselland.ch/fileadmin/ba...13_378-390.pdf
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The 120k threshold is is up projected for the whole year. For ex. 60k in 6 Months means 120k in 12 months.

Apperentlz with tax at source this rule is not so clear any more.

Just look out that you do not get taxed twice for the same income. Otherwise, look forward to a weird legal battle that has been fought before:

http://www.baselland.ch/fileadmin/ba...13_378-390.pdf
yes this exactly what they said.
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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

Thanks for all the info.
Like st2lemans says:

"Normally, it's the place you lived on 31 December."

If I have to pay or no more taxes I don't know, but the question is where.
I went to my Comune and they confirmed that, since the 31 Dec 2014 I was already in Ticino, if I have to pay, I have to pay here.

The problem is that with B permit, the different Geminde don't speak with each other.
So since my movements were:

November 2013 - January 2014--> Winkel (canton Zurich)
January 2014 - November 2014 --> Opfikon (Canton Zurich)
November 2014 - Now --> Bioggio (Canton Ticino)

I received the taxes request from Winkel, because for them I'm still in Canton Zurich. These is the reason I didn't receive anything from Opfikon.

I have just received an email from Winkel where they say, they are going to exterminate my case....

As st2lemans said I'm going to contact also the Lugano tax office, just to be sure.
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November 2013 - January 2014--> Winkel (canton Zurich)
January 2014 - November 2014 --> Opfikon (Canton Zurich)
When you move inside Canton of Zurich your tax residence is the one where you lived January 1st. That is why you never heard anything from Opfikon.
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When you move inside Canton of Zurich your tax residence is the one where you lived January 1st. That is why you never heard anything from Opfikon.
Ok this makes sense.
Now I have to figure out where to pay (if I have to pay).
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I think you're confusing two things here.

For B permit and <120k you do pay tax at source - i.e. the employer pays it directly to the tax office.

Withholding tax is a different concept for non-employment income such as dividends and interest.

You are right though that it's an average for the predicted situation, as the company doesn't know your full financial setup and liabilities/offsets. Whether this means you would gain (or lose) by doing a tax return can only be found by working through the numbers in detail.


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I know that it appears to be tax at source but it technically isn't.
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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

There are two kinds of Quellensteuer.

Tax at source for salary payments
https://www.ch.ch/en/tax-source/

and withholding tax for dividends and interest. Or what the Swiss call Verrechnungssteuer.
https://www.ch.ch/en/withholding-tax/
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Re: Taxes from Kanton Zürich

Hi everyone,
just to let you know, everything went well.

I compiled the taxes in Ticino and the 2 Kanton are going to "speak" together.

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Thanks for all the info.
Like st2lemans says:

"Normally, it's the place you lived on 31 December."

The problem is that with B permit, the different Geminde don't speak with each other.
So since my movements were:

November 2013 - January 2014--> Winkel (canton Zurich)
January 2014 - November 2014 --> Opfikon (Canton Zurich)
November 2014 - Now --> Bioggio (Canton Ticino)

I received the taxes request from Winkel, because for them I'm still in Canton Zurich. These is the reason I didn't receive anything from Opfikon.

I have just received an email from Winkel where they say, they are going to exterminate my case....

As st2lemans said I'm going to contact also the Lugano tax office, just to be sure.
I moved mid-year from Ticino to Aargau, - only Aargau billed me for taxes as I was resident there on 31st December. After all not everyone can move on 31st December!

Ticino told me (when I queried how it works for partial time spent residing in a/their canton), they (Ticino as a canton) do not bill anyone at all who is not resident there on 31st December!

The comune/Gemeinde there also told me the same and that any case they as a 'comune' don't issue anything bill-wise until the Canton of Ticino has issued a decision! I never heard from them again regarding that year's taxation.
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