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What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

After six years of admiring the Swiss system concerning almost every aspect of day to day life I find myself frustrated beyond belief with this one!

The Problem:

Left Switzerland to reside permanently in South Africa (yeah I know but its not as bad as people say)

Deregistered in Luzern, got my Wohnsitzbescheinigung, had the nice lady at the Geminde note that I was single on it and sent it off to the good people at Basler Versicherungeng in order to release my pension.

The good people at Basler say all is in order apart from one small issue. The Geminde痴 statement that I am single is insufficient. They need PROOF that I am single.

Now I ask you all (with two weeks of frustrated tears in my eyes), how in the name of all that is holy does one prove that they have never been married?

I have only ever resided in Luzern, so they hold the only records regarding me and my single status.

I have traveled to over 25 countries in the last six years on business. I could have married in any one or in fact all of them. (But I didn稚).

The people at Basler are strangely unable to advise exactly what is recognised as proof of single marital status for a foreign passport holder. (UK Passport).

The Question:

How do I prove that I am single?

Yours, bewildered and verging on desperate

Tony
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Old 27.08.2008, 13:20
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After six years of admiring the Swiss system concerning almost every aspect of day to day life I find myself frustrated beyond belief with this one!

The Problem:

Left Switzerland to reside permanently in South Africa (yeah I know but its not as bad as people say)

Deregistered in Luzern, got my Wohnsitzbescheinigung, had the nice lady at the Geminde note that I was single on it and sent it off to the good people at Basler Versicherungeng in order to release my pension.

The good people at Basler say all is in order apart from one small issue. The Geminde痴 statement that I am single is insufficient. They need PROOF that I am single.

Now I ask you all (with two weeks of frustrated tears in my eyes), how in the name of all that is holy does one prove that they have never been married?

I have only ever resided in Luzern, so they hold the only records regarding me and my single status.

I have traveled to over 25 countries in the last six years on business. I could have married in any one or in fact all of them. (But I didn稚).

The people at Basler are strangely unable to advise exactly what is recognised as proof of single marital status for a foreign passport holder. (UK Passport).

The Question:

How do I prove that I am single?

Yours, bewildered and verging on desperate

Tony
Go and look them in the eye? That hunted look is trans-cultural

seriously though - even in the UK the banns have to be posted, you can get a statement from the registry office in your "home town" that is the address from which the passport was granted, that you are not married. Alternatively contact the UK embassy - maybe they have a bright idea.
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Old 27.08.2008, 13:22
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

Take them to your apartment. Make sure you have left copious amounts of dirty underpants and socks on the floor and the sink is piled high with unwashed dishes.

Throw a few empty pizza boxes around and have the TV tuned to a sports channel.

It will remove any doubt from their mind...
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Old 27.08.2008, 13:24
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Take them to your apartment. Make sure you have left copious amounts of dirty underpants and socks on the floor and the sink is piled high with unwashed dishes.

Throw a few empty pizza boxes around and have the TV tuned to a sports channel.

It will remove any doubt from their mind...

Tell them your handle on the EF is Salsa Lover - you will not need any proof...


BTW this is a much better way of advertising the fact that you are single than that post UKFitGuy did a while ago... maybe he could learn...
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

You must be kidding!!!
Are you sure this is a legal question to ask???

What a mad country !!!
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Old 27.08.2008, 13:37
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You must be kidding!!!
Are you sure this is a legal question to ask???

What a mad country !!!
Of course it is a legal question. Being married or being single have different implications - tax, for example. Also, if you want to marry in the future they have to be sure you are not already married.
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Old 27.08.2008, 13:41
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

Only an idea - tax returns showing single filing status?
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Only an idea - tax returns showing single filing status?
That idea is actually quite brilliant - the tax return also shows if you are liable for payments to an ex-spouse i.e. if you divorce then your spouse is possibly entitled to some of your pension money, I presume what Basler wants to avoid is to hand out a lump sum to somebody who is not entitled to it
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

You can't be the first single foreigner to have left CH.

Write a recorded delivery letter to Basler stating that you are single and demanding your pension be released by a certain date.

Formally request them to provide you with written confirmation of what for them would constitute formal proof of single status.

Inform them that if they cannot provide such information, and if you don't receive your pension within --specified time limit-- then you will be be forced to take legal advice on the matter.

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Old 27.08.2008, 14:32
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

Would a simple affidavit signed by a notary not be sufficient for something like this?
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Old 27.08.2008, 15:00
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

Before I got married here in Basel they also needed this proof. I had to have a sworn affidavit that I got at the U.S. embassy in Bern and then this was sufficient.
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Tell them your handle on the EF is Salsa Lover - you will not need any proof...


BTW this is a much better way of advertising the fact that you are single than that post UKFitGuy did a while ago... maybe he could learn...
Are you sure this is not UKFitGuy with another name.
Back to the question at hand, since a letter from the Geminde does not do the trick.

1. Ask your parents to write you a letter to say you are still single
2. Get letter from the tax office to show that you are single
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1. Ask your parents to write you a letter to say you are still single
Then he will need proof that they are his parents...
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

It being Switzerland there must be one sure fire way to prove my singledom.

From the responses so far a shotgun approach might be best. (No I don稚 mean take the Basler employee outside and have him shot, as satisfying as that might be) I mean a scatter approach.
  • Sign affidavit (including pic of me swearing it on a stack of bibles)
  • Include correspondence from relatives stating their sadness at my apparent unwillingness to breed
  • Enclose pics of by bachelor pad
  • Threaten legal action if not paid by a specific date (ON MY PAY? Well its worth a shot)
  • Send copy of my tax return
  • Go to church on Sunday and PRAY.
  • Cross my fingers
  • Fly back to Switzerland and give them 鍍hat hunted look


Thanks for the responses. I shall certainly try the Affidavit (Jeez the Brit embassy in Pretoria is a pain but it痴 worth a shot)

Any other suggestions?

Your痴 hoping that the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train

Tony
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Old 27.08.2008, 22:11
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Are you sure this is not UKFitGuy with another name.
Back to the question at hand, since a letter from the Geminde does not do the trick.

1. Ask your parents to write you a letter to say you are still single
2. Get letter from the tax office to show that you are single
This actually might not be too far off from what you need to do. When we moved here, my wife had been working here for a while while commuting from the US so she had a work permit already. When we decided to move here and applied for my permit, the authorities were concerned that we would keep bringing family members over. We had to write a letter that we had no children, sign it and have it notarized. We did this in CH. That was accepted by the authorities as "proof" that we had no children. Maybe a notarized letter stating that you are not married will do the trick.
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

Just to reopen the thread this is something I am dealing -fighting with at the moment.
I think I am tempted to get married and divorced ,it would be way easier than proving single ship ness.

A tip I had moved my 2pillar to a foundation which will not accept any english documents. I have to get everything translated and notarized. Something I never thought to check avoid it if you can expensive & slow.

I am making slow progress but if someone can benefit from my blunders it good.

1. Better to move things directly from your pension at least if they have being working in English they will continue to do so.

2. Be aware that all documents regarding martial status are only considered valid with a month. They would not accept my lovely new passport.

3. Worse case as the wise one told me, I will get it when I retire

Today
I have been advised to go and get another Affidavit to state my single status .. which is kind of silly basically I am paying someone to say I am single..my mother will tell them as she weeps about the lack of Grand Brats.

If I find a way I will post, if not assume I am out looking for a bachelor
Wonder how he will prove his bachelor status
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Re: What is Recognised as Proof of Marital Status (I知 single)

The Zivilstandsamt in Luzern will issue a certificate, it is the register of births marriage and death,

http://www.stadtluzern.ch/de/politik...r/?amt_id=8193
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2. Be aware that all documents regarding martial status are only considered valid with a month. They would not accept my lovely new passport.

3. Worse case as the wise one told me, I will get it when I retire

Today
I have been advised to go and get another Affidavit to state my single status .. which is kind of silly basically I am paying someone to say I am single.
re 2: first part makes sense to me, about that long it would take to get documents approved to get married. re passport, there is nothing in my passport to indicate whether I am married or single, but perhaps it is different for some countries.
re 3: no you would still need to prove if you were single.

Affidavit makes total sense to me, believe you have to swear an oath & you are paying for the Official person's time etc
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