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Living in Pay de Gex, work in Kanton Aargau?

Hi,

Can you help me in making a tax estimate? I work during the week in Brugg and return for the weekend to France Pay de Gex. Earnings 115kCHF

I have read that tax a source will be deducted automatically. Do I need to pay tax to France, or do just make an "empty French declaration". I have no other income in France.

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Re: Living in Pay de Gex, work in Kanton Aargau?

Pays de Gex is kinda far away from Brugg for you to qualify for a cross-border work permit.

Are you sure you know what you're doing?
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Old 15.09.2008, 22:19
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Re: Living in Pay de Gex, work in Kanton Aargau?

Yes.. no worries I have frontalier permit. its like 2,5h drive it may be far away but not far far away..
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Re: Living in Pay de Gex, work in Kanton Aargau?

Frontalier for Brugg? Are you kidding me??? Was it delivered for Geneva first?
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Re: Living in Pay de Gex, work in Kanton Aargau?

Well are u here to ponder about the distance or can u actual give a comment to the question... u know one is still frontalier even if u return only for the weekend... yes sir..
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Well are u here to ponder about the distance or can u actual give a comment to the question... u know one is still frontalier even if u return only for the weekend... yes sir..
Well I also know that as far Geneva is concerned there's a set list of communes in which you must live in order to qualify for a cross-border permit. And I'm pretty sure Aargau is no different.

So if "u" are here to get an answer then "u" better cut the smarta$$ness and give a proper answer as your taxation will very much depend on your type permit. By the way, this service is provided pro bono so cut your "i'm expecting an answer" attitude.

My suspicion is that living in Pays de Gex you don't qualify for a cross border permit in Aargau, and as such you should take up domicile in the canton and be taxed there.
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Well I also know that as far Geneva is concerned there's a set list of communes in which you must live in order to qualify for a cross-border permit. And I'm pretty sure Aargau is no different.

So if "u" are here to get an answer then "u" better cut the smarta$$ness and give a proper answer as your taxation will very much depend on your type permit. By the way, this service is provided pro bono so cut your "i'm expecting an answer" attitude.

My suspicion is that living in Pays de Gex you don't qualify for a cross border permit in Aargau, and as such you should take up domicile in the canton and be taxed there.
Sorry I am not here to upset u but please trust me I already have a permit of this kind. So no worries about this permit.

A appreciate quick answers and free of charge, I just wanted u to understand that my question is real and not a futur imagination..that all..
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Re: Living in Pay de Gex, work in Kanton Aargau?

Here's a link to a document that might help you. It's in German, but considering that you are working in AG that shouldn't be too much of a problem. It's quite complex and only you will know the answers to the questions, so I will let you figure it out.

http://www.ag.ch/DokTabelle/steueram...=76&Format=pdf
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Well I also know that as far Geneva is concerned there's a set list of communes in which you must live in order to qualify for a cross-border permit. And I'm pretty sure Aargau is no different.
I understand that these zones were abolished effective 1 June 2007....but I may be wrong.
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Sorry I am not here to upset u but please trust me I already have a permit of this kind. So no worries about this permit.
As I said, your taxation is dependent on the permit you hold. Cross-border permit are taxed differently depending on the canton, as the agreements are signed by cantons themselves with the neighboring country (ies).

For instance Geneva taxes at source and retrocedes a portion to France. Vaud exempts you from tax as long as you prove you file in France.

I am pretty sure Aargau has no cross-border agreement involving your region of domicile so this entails the following:

- you have to take up domicile in Switzerland, and you will be taxed according to where you take up domicile.

- you have to take up insurance coverage in Switzerland as you won't be covered under cross-border provisions

- and finally you're working without an appropriate permit. You may have "a permit" but it is not valid for your current employment.

So as you see, it is really up to you to provide proper information. What I can tell you is that France won't accept a blank declaration knowing you work in Switzerland. You may well end up having to pay tax twice.

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I understand that these zones were abolished effective 1 June 2007....but I may be wrong.
They haven't.
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They haven't.

OK, well maybe they are not relevant for taxation anymore because on page 3 of the document that I linked for the OP (issued by the Aargau Tax Department) they are giving tax indications for "Grenzgänger" from France, Austria, Italy and Germany without any indication of zones. Italy would be about as far from Aarau as the Pays de Gex, so I guess the "zone" is no longer relevant.
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Possible....
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Possible....
Shorrick Mk2 (what does Shorrick Mk2 mean?) you should get bottles of Champagne from answering so many complicated questions on this Forum

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