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15.12.2008, 11:28
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Anyone hit by the new piece of news re.the Madoff scandal?
My thoughts go to the Benedict Hentsch guys in Geneva who just one month ago (purchased) merged with Fairfield Group - what an uncredible timing :-/
Still - the whole story speaks volumes about the whole audit / controlling / supervision process in the US and elsewhere. What a bl**dy farce, really.
Paul
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15.12.2008, 12:13
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Found this old chestnut: | Quote: |  | | | MAR/Hedge (RIP) Page 1
No. 89 May 2001
Madoff tops charts; skeptics asks how
By Michael Ocrant
Mention Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities to anyone working on Wall Street at any time over the
last 40 years and you’re likely to get a look of immediate recognition.
After all, Madoff Securities, with its 600 major brokerage clients, is ranked as one of the top three
market makers in Nasdaq stocks, cites itself as probably the largest source of order flow for New York
Stock Exchange-listed securities, and remains a huge player in the trading of preferred, convertible and
other specialized securities instruments.
Beyond that, Madoff operates one of the most successful “third markets” for trading equities after
regular exchange hours, and is an active market maker in the European and Asian equity markets. And
with a group of partners, it is leading an effort and developing the technology for a new electronic auction
market trading system called Primex.
But it’s a safe bet that relatively few Wall Street professionals are aware that Madoff Securities could
be categorized as perhaps the best risk-adjusted hedge fund portfolio manager for the last dozen years. Its
$6–7 billion in assets under management, provided primarily by three feeder funds, currently would put it
in the number one or two spot in the Zurich (formerly MAR) database of more than 1,100 hedge funds,
and would place it at or near the top of any well-known database in existence defined by assets.
More important, perhaps, most of those who are aware of Madoff’s status in the hedge fund world are
baffled by the way the firm has obtained such consistent, nonvolatile returns month after month and year
after year.
(...) | | | | | ---
OK.
If you were at the head of the SEC, wouldn't you want to ask just a couple questions more?
D'uh!
Paul
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15.12.2008, 12:47
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I can't comment on the matter, but please respect this policy and don't quote full articles: Policy: Copying content, copy/paste, quoting, linking, etc.
Also, here's a more precise source declaration: Nakedshorts Blog (PDF linked) http://www.marhedge.com | 
15.12.2008, 12:50
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Excellent article - I particularly like the last paragraph...
My (now ex-) boss sat me down to explain the Madoff strategy a couple of months ago after the funds came up in my research, and went on to explain why the company did not invest with any of the Madoff feeders, even though many of our competitors were. Basically it came down to the old saying "if it seems too good to be true, it probably is"... My boss was a very bright guy, and he couldn't understand how Madoff made the returns, so didn't invest with him - I was only there 5 months but I learnt a lot | 
15.12.2008, 16:20
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Yep, nice story...!
Now it appears that those who sold out long time ago could be called to pay back capital + any gains deriving from investments in funds which had Madoff exposure.
LOL - what a holy mess! I wonder just how far back can the long arm of a SEC investigation go, and just how far can it reach, geographically speaking...
It will be "interesting", that's for sure.
Paul
p.s. my sympathies for anyone that has been affected.
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15.12.2008, 16:23
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FINalternatives is keeping a list of "victims" here, although as noted in the comments, some of those amounts will be double-counted.
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15.12.2008, 16:43
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Just another example which shows how dysfunctional the regulatory oversight system is. Way too much complacency.
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And some of the banks are now reporting their exposures ( from the BBC):
Santander - $3.1bn
HSBC - $1bn
RBS - $600m
Natixis - $600m
BNP Paribas - $460m
BBVA, Spain - $400m
Nomura, Japan - $303m
Also:
Man Group, UK - $360m
Reichmuth & Co, Switzerland - $325m
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | And some of the banks are now reporting their exposures (from the BBC):
Santander - $3.1bn
HSBC - $1bn
RBS - $600m
Natixis - $600m
BNP Paribas - $460m
BBVA, Spain - $400m
Nomura, Japan - $303m
Also:
Man Group, UK - $360m
Reichmuth & Co, Switzerland - $325m | | | | | apparently Madoff's so called 'auditor' was a no-name who operated from a 200 sqft office in a NY suburb... if these smart investors gave some one a billion $ to 'invest' without visiting their auditors, then as far as I am concerned, they fully deserve to lose their money
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | apparently Madoff's so called 'auditor' was a no-name who operated from a 200 sqft office in a NY suburb... if these smart investors gave some one a billion $ to 'invest' without visiting their auditors, then as far as I am concerned, they fully deserve to lose their money | | | | | And their only client was Madoff....
It seems that everybody was convinced that since it was regulated by the SEC, they just overlooked the due diligence. The final customer just trusted the agent had done his job, and the agent trusted the SEC had done theirs... But the fact is they had been over suspicion for quite a long time, and lot of people were saying that it was too good to be true. There is already a conspirative theory - that it was know that this was happening but everybody who knew it just turned a blind eye, with the hope that no one would found out.
I am starting to feel sorry for Santander. They had placed a lot of structured Lehman Brothers through its investment bank, Banif. They ended up paying for it all (basically, they gave the clients an equivalent product of their own). and now this... They already said this time they will not pay because they will not cover a "felony".
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | apparently Madoff's so called 'auditor' was a no-name who operated from a 200 sqft office in a NY suburb... if these smart investors gave some one a billion $ to 'invest' without visiting their auditors, then as far as I am concerned, they fully deserve to lose their money | | | | | I was about to argue that maybe the issue of the auditor of Madoff's company is a bit of a red herring, as Madoff was only acting as an advisor to a number of feeder funds which would presumably have had their own separate auditors, hence enabling investors to sign off their due diligence... However, I just did a quick Google search and found this newsletter from a company called Aksia, which makes interesting reading: http://www.slideshare.net/hblodget/h...?type=document
Obviously it's easy to say you saw it coming after the event, but still...
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | I was about to argue that maybe the issue of the auditor of Madoff's company is a bit of a red herring, as Madoff was only acting as an advisor to a number of feeder funds which would presumably have had their own separate auditors | | | | | not quite
he physically invested money for clients. but what is more interesting is that the trades were executed (and this, if anything, should have rung a bell for the truly clueless) and settled by his own in-house trading operation...
any half decent fund will settle trades through a well known third party - that's just how it is done.
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | not quite
he physically invested money for clients. but what is more interesting is that the trades were executed (and this, if anything, should have rung a bell for the truly clueless) and settled by his own in-house trading operation...
any half decent fund will settle trades through a well known third party - that's just how it is done. | | | | | Continuing on the subject of the auditors, here is an extract from the Reichmuth & Co statement on their Madoff-related losses (full statement here): | Quote: | |  | | | This occurrence is inexplicable - especially when considering that all affected funds were audited by
some of the most renowned audit firms, i.e. Ernst & Young, PwC, KPMG and BDO. Further, all periodically
proved transactions appeared plausible. Yet, no one is immune against fraud. | | | | | I wonder how many more of their clients are pulling their FoF investments from Reichmuth this week? I know that even funds with no Madoff exposure are suffering additional redemptions this week...
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | Continuing on the subject of the auditors, here is an extract from the Reichmuth & Co statement on their Madoff-related losses (full statement here):
I wonder how many more of their clients are pulling their FoF investments from Reichmuth this week? I know that even funds with no Madoff exposure are suffering additional redemptions this week... | | | | | Just spoke to someone who visited Reichmut beginning of the year. They were pretty surprised to find a relatively "skinny" operation behind the multi billion assets under management. Now we know why
As far as client withdrawals from FoFs and HFs and all the "alternative" instruments, let's just pin it down to a crisis of confidence. Trust was broken, and the global environment just looks dismal and proves to be extremely challenging (quite an euphemism) even to the top-tier, seasoned, legitimate (and honest) managers, like Paul Tudor Jones.
And for every "real" pro, there are maybe 100-500 (?) mediocre, average managers who are in the process of quitting or will quit very shortly.
We'll see who is fit enough to survive
Paul
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18.12.2008, 20:09
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Fairfield are now trying to blame their auditors, PwC, whilst claiming to be a victim of “a highly sophisticated and massive fraud”: http://www.finalternatives.com/node/6417 | 
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? Madoff investor commits suicide A French investment manager who put $1.4bn (£1bn) into Bernard Madoff's fraud-hit scheme has committed suicide in his New York office, police said.
Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, 65, was found sitting at his desk with both wrists slashed, New York police spokesman Paul Browne said.
A bottle of sleeping pills was on his desk and a box cutter lay on the floor.
Mr Madoff is accused of running a $50bn (£34bn) Ponzi scheme that wiped out investors around the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7798533.stm | 
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| | | Re: Any Fairfield / Madoff victims? | Quote: | |  | | | Madoff investor commits suicide A French investment manager who put $1.4bn (£1bn) into Bernard Madoff's fraud-hit scheme has committed suicide in his New York office, police said.
Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, 65, was found sitting at his desk with both wrists slashed, New York police spokesman Paul Browne said.
A bottle of sleeping pills was on his desk and a box cutter lay on the floor.
Mr Madoff is accused of running a $50bn (£34bn) Ponzi scheme that wiped out investors around the world. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7798533.stm | | | | | Damn - you beat me to it!
Talk about "victims", huh?
and it looks as it's gonna get messier before it gets any better, for sure!
Paul
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31.12.2008, 07:55
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Eliot Spitzer apparently also invested (and lost) in/with Madoff.
I just wonder if one is allowed to connect dots?
Paul
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A RETIRED British army major killed himself after losing his life savings in the fraud allegedly perpetrated by US financier Bernard Madoff.
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