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Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

Hi All,

I've been receiving cold calls from an investing company "Westernfield Holdings" based in Japan, doing projects that generate carbon credits, promising returns of 50-60% within 3 months!

The guy wanted to do business only based on the phonecall ("information too secret to let you have in written form"), so of course, I refused.

Any experiences with the firm, or with investments in carbon credits?

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Re: Cold Calling - Carbon Credits

Why would anyone bother calling you if they had an investment opportunity promising 50%+ return in 3 months. Don't you think that they would be expending every ounce of energy on maximising their own exposure to this "remarkable opportunity" rather than cold-calling small investors?
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Exactly my reasoning!


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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

There's a post about this company on Yahoo! Answers.

See: Anybody know Westernfield Holdings?

The "best answer" by "John" looks incredibly suspect to me. Like as if it was posted by the company themselves.

I've seen a lot of this kind of "Schleichwerbung" with regards to investments and financial advice.

Reports of carbon credit fraud abound on the net too.
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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

Wow! Nice work, Ed Bob!
Btw, the guy who called me also had the first name John!
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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

Carbon Credits is a dying market.

No wonder everyone is desperate to let YOU make the 50% in 3 months

Go buy a lotto ticket instead
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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

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Carbon Credits is a dying market.
Did it ever live?
I'm not an avid investor, but I never heard much noise about it!

The guy did say that a CER (the unit for a credit) costs around Euro 14. I looked up on the internet, and this seems to be true. However, I don't know how transparent and legally enforcable this market is, say, compared to the stock market? Translation: Is it safe to buy carbon credits from a company you've never met, and is not even located in this country?
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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

Typical “boiler room scam”…

The Westernfield Web-Site was created May 20, 2009.

It seems a gang of fraudsters is just popping up regularly with new “companies” and new “fantastic opportunities” in which to invest : It is just all fake and lots of people seem to be fooled by these guys who are indeed quite convincing when they first call…

Just have a look at the “Arnaque Artemis” blog (put this in google and you get there right away). Blog initially in French but many comments in English as well. Most of these boiler-room “companies” are discussed there with info from numerous victims.

Advice : STAY AWAY from these guys !

If you search through internet, you find a lot of “press – releases” from Westernfield. This is a trick that all these “companies” use to create confidence,and to drawn forums and blogs like this one. But…. Look a little closer, none of these “press – releases” is older than May this year.

And.... Beware :

Same approach now by another "company" that call themselves "World Wide Wealth Management", pretending to be located in Hong Kong, calling people asking to "invest" in "Center Focus Media"... Both these "companies" web-sites created only in July this year...
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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

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Did it ever live?
I'm not an avid investor, but I never heard much noise about it!

The guy did say that a CER (the unit for a credit) costs around Euro 14.
yes, it is a functioning market and CERs are 'real' instruments.

yes, a CER is worth about EUR 15 right now, but they have traded for EUR 20 and even 30 before. The consensus is that they will trade lower going forward for the next few years at least.

but no, its not like a stock. you cannot hold them in your trading / brokerage account.

and most important, they do not trade on stock exchanges. indeed they do not trade on a normal exchange at all. they are traded between large companies, usually through 'brokers'. if you have 100 or even 1000, you are basically 'up sh1t creek without a paddle' cause most corporates are looking for trading them in lots of 10,000 or more.

summary : avoid like the plague.
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Re: Investing in carbon credits / Cold calls from Westernfield Holdings

Hi all
I suppose this should be interesting for people who reported having been called by these guys in Switzerland :

News from REUTERS, March 26, 2010 :

* Firm accused of carbon fraud still operating despite warning
* Australian regulator blacklists telemarketing firm
* CO2 verifiers say misrepresented by company
By David Fogarty, Climate Change Correspondent, Asia
SINGAPORE, March 26 (Reuters) - A firm accused of defrauding Australian investors of A$3.5 million ($3.2 million) in a carbon investment scam and blacklisted by the nation's securities regulator is still operating and may face legal claims.
The case risks denting the reputation of the unregulated voluntary carbon offset market, which has been damaged in the past by allegations of fraud and double-counting, although market players said its small size meant it wouldn't have a big impact.
Since mid-2009 more than 100 people have told the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) they have lost money after being duped by an aggressive telemarketing scheme run by WesternField Holdings Inc.
The state-backed ACCC has labelled the firm's carbon investment offerings a scam that preys on investors' desire to do something good for the environment.
WesternField's website (www.western-field.com) lists a Tokyo business address, a string of emission reduction projects in Asia since 2001, an impressive line-up of managers and consultants, and a prestigious environment award in 2004.
However, the organisation that gives out the annual award didn't start doing so until 2006.
A check of WesternField's weblink shows the domain name was created in May 2009 and internet searches show no record of the company prior to 2009. The management office of the Tokyo tower listed as the firm's address has no record of them.
WesternField describes itself as a leading developer of high quality greenhouse gas reduction projects.
"It is increasingly clear this is a well-constructed scam using a fake website and claiming fake links to legitimate organisations or environmental standards and where the ultimate location is very difficult to determine," ACCC deputy chairman Peter Kell told Reuters by telephone.
"If you're an investor who's heart is in the right place, who wants to make an environmentally friendly investment, then these sorts of offerings can look very tempting," he added.
The ACCC said potential investors are cold-called by people with North American, British or New Zealand accents and promised large returns for short-term investments in carbon credits.
Investors could view their carbon "investment certificates" through an independent website registered to CTR Limited (carbontrustregistry.com), purported to be in Hong Kong.
Calls to the number listed on the website were unanswered.
Kell said some investors have complained that they have been unable to obtain their certificates and that requests to sell their investments or get their money back were ignored.
Investors were asked to send money to a Taiwan bank account.
The Australian Securities and Investments Commission has blacklisted WesternField, accusing it of investment fraud.
MARKETING FIRMS
During a series of calls to WesternField's Japanese telephone number this week, a man named Jay Cutler told Reuters that founder and CEO Stephen Westernfield was either in the United States, in meetings or had left for the day.
None of the other members of the team were available.
Cutler, who said his role was just to answer the telephone, refused to comment on the blacklisting or accusations of WesternField running a telephone scam.
"I've assured people just like I'll assure yourself, we've never cold-called a potential investor yet. We've engaged on a number of occasions independent marketing firms who have, canvassed I guess is the right word, potential investors," said Cutler.
He said investors are told that they are not issued with certificates. "The holdings are held electronically with an independent body the Carbon Trust Registry."
Carbon Trust says on its website that it is a registry for credits issued by the Voluntary Carbon Standard (VCS) Association, an industry-respected offset verifier.
But Jerry Seager, program manager for the association, told Reuters that Carbon Trust was not an authorised VCS registry. "We are aware of this website and are taking legal advice," he said in an emailed response to questions.
He added that he had not heard of WesternField and that they were not listed as project proponents for any VCS projects.
WesternField Holdings says it has completed a variety of clean-energy and forestry projects in Asia since 2001 that have been approved under VCS as well as the Gold Standard Foundation.
Gold Standard said it had not heard of WesternField either. It said the firm would face action from the foundation for any misuse of its brand. Cutler declined comment on the allegation.
Grattan MacGiffin of MF Global, one of the largest brokers for voluntary offsets, said the case would not hurt the market, worth about $700 million in 2008.
"The market has a good reputation now for transparency and integrity. There will always be potential for bad actions on the fringes but typically it's very uncommon now," he said. (Additional reporting by Chisa Fujioka in Tokyo; Editing by Michael Szabo and Michael Urquhart)
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