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Old 11.06.2007, 10:18
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Re: Catholic church taxes clearing up a few misunderstandings

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--Most of the revenue for churches stems from church taxes that each member pays the respective church they belong to.Other income sources are inheritances and legacies.
So what if I want to go to 2-3 different places?

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--The money collected at the end of a service/mass, ALWAYS goes to a designated charity or similar funds and is not an income for the church.
This charitable money should then be tax deductable, btu you don't get a receipt for chucking in a few CHF.

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--In Switzerland the churchtax is paid with the CANTONAL taxes,it's automatically calculated and included according to the 'Steuersatz' of your Canton or 'Gemeinde'.
It is also based on your income!!!

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--If you have complaints and want to leave the church,you can simply write a letter to the local KIRCHGEMEINDE ( not the tax offices!!) declaring that you want to quit the church.
Too much hassle


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--After you exited the church you are called 'konfessionslos' (sans confession) you will not be branded ATHEIST!! The only difference is,should want your child christened or get married in church or when you die at your funeral service you , respectively your family, will have to pay for the use of the premise and the service,it'll no longer be free for you.
we were married in church and did not pay this, and there is no fee for our children to be christened
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Old 11.06.2007, 10:51
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Re: Catholic church taxes clearing up a few misunderstandings

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So what if I want to go to 2-3 different places?
you can what was maybe not very clear (forgive me for my pidgin english),i should have written that it's not the LOCAL church as in your village,i meant it that if you are catholic you pay into the catholic church etc. You are free to visit as many places you want.


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This charitable money should then be tax deductable, btu you don't get a receipt for chucking in a few CHF.
Actually in Canton Bern there is a limit of 100 francs p.a. you can deduct from your taxes without having to send in the receipts.The maximum allowed deduction in Ct.Bern is 10% of your net income,but these of course have then to be validated with a reciept.

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It is also based on your income!!!
Sorry forgot to mention that, I went on the assumption that it's clear for the reader that ALL taxes in Switzerland are calculated upon your income.

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Too much hassle
All it takes is a little dated and signed note saying.
Hereby I declare my leave of the .......church,fold it and post it ....................
hmm now i can see that it is a lot of hassle....................


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we were married in church and did not pay this, and there is no fee for our children to be christened
I don't know how it's handled in your Canton,it may be different or you may still be paying the taxes without realising it,check your last Steuerveranlagung
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Old 11.06.2007, 11:28
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

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I don't believe the government has the authority to make me pay the upkeep of churches. No other organization can do this, why should the churches be allowed?
I pay firefighters tax since I do not contribute, this is fair, but charging me tax on my religious belief? No way.
I think AbFab was commenting on your statement "you won't go to hell" rather than anything relating to govt making you pay for church upkeep...

For the record, I was raised an Anglican, went to a Catholic school, taught Religious Education by Irish nuns, and branded by them as a pagan for questioning some of the more ridiculous aspects of catholicism and religion in general.

So, what should I put on the form?
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Old 11.06.2007, 11:56
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So, what should I put on the form?

pick'n'mix ???
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I think AbFab was commenting on your statement "you won't go to hell" rather than anything relating to govt making you pay for church upkeep...
It was a bit unclear, too much room for uncertainty.

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For the record, I was raised an Anglican, went to a Catholic school, taught Religious Education by Irish nuns, and branded by them as a pagan for questioning some of the more ridiculous aspects of catholicism and religion in general.

So, what should I put on the form?
It seems as though the pearly gates will have to do some research on you. .
Just to be safe, better take all your religious details with you when you leave us
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Old 11.06.2007, 14:17
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It was a bit unclear, too much room for uncertainty.

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Eh? Couldn't have been clearer. I didn't realise that you had the authority to judge who would and who would not go to hell...
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Eh? Couldn't have been clearer. I didn't realise that you had the authority to judge who would and who would not go to hell...
As I wrote this -
Just declare non-religion. (FOR THE CH GOV'T)
You wont go to hell, <snip>(FOR GOD)



You wrote - You have this on good authority, do you?

This could be taken 2 ways, the authority being CH gov't or God.
Of course it could be clearer.
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Old 11.06.2007, 14:30
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Well I think we're ripped off

Xmas = 2 days holiday if you're lucky

Pagan winter solstice = month of feasting. Plus you get to go to raves at Stonehenge in the summer
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It seems as though the pearly gates will have to do some research on you. .
Just to be safe, better take all your religious details with you when you leave us
Yeah but when I get there, St Peter will say, "Oh sorry, I guess you're not from this Kanton, here are some more forms, there's a desk in Purgatory where you can fill them out in triplicate..."

I am probably RC in everything but name, but the catholic mass freaks me out every time - there's something about when the priest says "lift up your hearts" and the congregation responds with "we lift them up to the Lord, it is right to give him thanks and praise" that reminds me of Indiana Jones and The Temple Of Doom

(no disrespect to any catholics intended, I just struggle to keep a straight face through that part!)
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Does anyone know what is the proper handling of church taxes for couples when one is catholic but the other is atheist, and kids are going to church ? Is the whole income taxable, only the income from one, different tax rate,... ?

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Old 13.12.2007, 12:38
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

If you are taxed together, you will be required to fill in your details including 'confession' on page one of the tax return. The tax will be based on this. The choice is Catholic protestant/Reformed and other (church tax free).

Children's b religion is not asked for...
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Re: Catholic church taxes clearing up a few misunderstandings

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--If you have complaints and want to leave the church,you can simply write a letter to the local KIRCHGEMEINDE ( not the tax offices!!) declaring that you want to quit the church.

--It may be, that a priest or someone else form the church contacts you and asks why you want to leave etc. but all in all it's a simple process and I am doing it this year to the pope can look elsewhere for his income
In case you are catholic, the local swiss parish will ask you to provide a certificate of baptism, and you can get it from the parish where you were baptised. Only with this piece of paper they will send you a letter to confirm you've left the catholic church (Kirchenaustritt).

If you're on a B permit then you can use this letter to ask for tax reimboursment (it's about 1% of your income, it depends on the Gemeinde where you live).
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Old 13.12.2007, 13:02
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

I was asked in my first job in Switzerland what my "confession" was. Said I was not really anything but I was christened as "Church of England" and they marked me down as "Reformiert". I had been paying taxes on this until I was told by a brit in our HR dept that this is wrong.

Apparently I should have been declared as "Anglicanisch" which isn't subject to tax. I had to get a letter from the "Reformiert" church saying I was no longer a member (err.. I wasn't a member in the first place , it was just an administrative error by the HR dept. of my previous company). Now I don't pay any church taxes at all.
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

I still don't understand WHY religion is taxed in Switzerland, in every other country on the planet the Catholic and Protestant churches do without having the government collect money for them (except maybe the vatican ), so what the rationale behind church tax is, is beyond me. This makes me kinda think "what would Jesus think of belief in God being taxed?". What about the Jews and Muslims? do they have to pay Synagogue and Mosque tax? I guess not, but then I'd have to ask the question, why not? Maybe because these religions are not officially "sanctioned" by the government...
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I still don't understand WHY religion is taxed in Switzerland, in every other country on the planet the Catholic and Protestant churches do without having the government collect money for them (except maybe the vatican )
Not only in Switzerland.

In Italy the catholic church, some reformed churches and the jewish, get 8/1000 of the income. Every citizen must choose who gets his moneyand if the citizen doesn't want to give it to any religious organization, then the state gets it and uses (...should use) it for cultural purposes (restore monuments, keep museums open etc).
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

We were having a discussion at work about unsolicited mail the other day, and I happened to mention I got a magazine from the Catholic church. This set off a long discussion about church taxes and how I had obviously signed up to the church when I registered. What?!

Firstly, I object to being told by the state how much I should donate to a church. Secondly, I'm not even Roman Catholic, never have been and don't go to church!

So I trotted off to the Kreisburo this morning and asked to have my religion removed as I didn't want to pay the tax. The response was "well, if you want to pay less tax maybe you should move to another village" !!!! No quite the point! So I persisted, and was told that my religion was showing as Roman Catholic. I explained I definitely wasn't RC... twice I was asked if I'd been baptised... my parents weren't Roman Catholic, and I don't go to church! Another woman was summoned to grill me further, they even had a debate about what most people in the UK were - RC or Christian! They seemed determined to slot me into one religion. Finally I virtually shouted across the Kreisburo that I had no religion! They finally gave in and updated the system. As she handed back my papers the woman said "and no confession". What, did she think I was going to sneak round the corner to the local church and confess my dreadful crime to the priest... without paying for it!!!

That's it, I'm going to burn in a fiery hell, just because Switzerland has made me renounce all religion.
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Old 09.09.2008, 12:21
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

No Confession simply means no stated religion. She wasn't warning you that you couldn't go to confession. You don't need to burn in hell Switzerland didn't make you renounce your religion, you just weren't willing to pay.

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The state doesn't tax you for being a Catholic or Protestant, the money collected goes to these Churches. The result is most Swiss churches have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Ever seen a church roof appeal here??
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

yes i did as well
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

ha ha, "no confession!" I love it, nice one!
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