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Old 11.09.2008, 00:06
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Church tax is split. E.g. 2 Catholics and 1 atheist in the family would mean paying 2/3 of the church tax.
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The state doesn't tax you for being a Catholic or Protestant, the money collected goes to these Churches. The result is most Swiss churches have so much money they don't know what to do with it. Ever seen a church roof appeal here??
Note that the local church fixes the church-tax rate, too. So the commune is, like AbFab says, only collecting and passing on.
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Old 11.09.2008, 00:57
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

It is unfortunate (and unjust) that non-Catholics receive none of this tax money as due compensation for the noise pollution caused by church bells. If atheists undertook to perform a loud ritual in the middle of the night (aka a techno-party), it is unlikely that the neighbours or the police would respond with the same indifference. Worse, the practising pagan would be immediately slapped with a discriminatory tax (aka fine) for disturbance of the peace.
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Old 11.09.2008, 01:18
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I still don't understand WHY religion is taxed in Switzerland, in every other country on the planet the Catholic and Protestant churches do without having the government collect money for them (except maybe the vatican )
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When I had never heard of Church Tax myself before, I was told by my Danish manager that they have the same system in Denmark.
I don't understand it but my colleague who was not a church goer thought it was his civic duty to contribute even in a foriegn land.

You're ascertion that no other country on the planet does this is wrong, so I'd check the details first before making such claims.

It's the same in some other Northern Eurpoean countries as well....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax

"except maybe the vatican"? What does that mean? Which countries have governments that collect for the Vatican then ?
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Old 11.09.2008, 01:30
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Another woman was summoned to grill me further, they even had a debate about what most people in the UK were - RC or Christian! They seemed determined to slot me into one religion.
Many people don't understand that Catholics are Christians but if it's part of their jobs these two must be in need of training not to know this.

All Catholics are Christians (they're a sub set) but not all Christians are Catholics . . . . . yet.
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Note that the local church fixes the church-tax rate, too. So the commune is, like AbFab says, only collecting and passing on.
So there is no collection in the service then?
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Old 11.09.2008, 10:39
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So there is no collection in the service then?
The collection in the service is always for a charity, I think.
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Many people don't understand that Catholics are Christians but if it's part of their jobs these two must be in need of training not to know this.
I didn't know that. But then, my knowledge of religion is pretty poor.

I guess the women don't get many people opting out of the religion, so were a bit confused.
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Old 11.09.2008, 11:37
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

When I opted out of paying church taxes I was warned I couldn't be buried on consecrated ground. As I'd be dead I said "it didn't worry me". Then came the argument that my children wouldn't be baptized but I knew I wasn't going to have any so that fell by the wayside too.

What really made me laugh though was they entered the word "dissident" where my religion should have been entered! Never been called one of those before.
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When i declared myself an atheist at my local community many moons ago i was told to be careful in my choice as i wouldn't be buried on consecrated ground!

If you have children and would like them to be educated in the Christian faith pay church taxes. It's one of those "you cant have your cake and eat it things"

At the end of the day it's freedom of choice.
Like i give a monkey about how my body is disposed of

How did you declared yourself legally atheist?? I want to get out too i'm paying taxes for that and I don't want to give them 1 rappen more
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Old 11.11.2010, 13:23
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Church taxes are silly, no need for it in my opinion.

I'm raised Catholic, i go to funerals, weddings, confirmation and baptisms events but other then that i registered as an atheist here in Switzerland

After all what happened in Belgium,Ireland and basically globally , i do not wish to support a group of phony people with the dark prince himself as a pope.

Don't trust the guy, don't trust the organisation.. Former bishop Vangeluwe in Belgium admitted himself he did naughty things with kids (relatives) ,yet the only thing taken away is his title.. why they don't jail him like any other child molester is the question.

Sure, the holy hand will protect its messengers but why should they be treated differently? bunch of hypocrites.

Back home you pay when going into the church, you pay chair money and you pay for god knows what reason..all i get back is a crappy disk that hoovers all the moist out of ones mouth, squeakily chairs and in winter, an ice cold place with terrible echo.

So yes i agree with others here, no need to give them more money, seeing the place in Rome is covered inside with solid gold.

And why support them.. religion is something your parents chose for you as a baby, not a choice of yourself.
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Old 11.11.2010, 13:33
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How did you declared yourself legally atheist?? I want to get out too i'm paying taxes for that and I don't want to give them 1 rappen more
Find out which religion you are registered with (I ended up with the "Reformiert" church because my HR woman at the time ticked whatever box she thought I fitted).

Get a letter from that church (I found the local one to me in Zurich) saying you have left their church. It doesn't have to say you are athiest but I just got them to say I'd been christened "Anglicanisch" (Anglican), which is actually true. There's no Swiss tax on the Anglican church so Bob's your Uncle and I save a few hundred francs a year.
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And why support them.. religion is something your parents chose for you as a baby, not a choice of yourself.
For some, yes. For others it's quite an individual decision. And for others (like me) it's both. Nothing wrong with that either... like supporting your hometown football team as an adult, even though your parents were the ones who chose for you to grow up in that town.

One can also make the argument that the church (say an independent local church, if the global organization of Catholicism bothers you) is a provider of social services and a major force for good in the community - or alternatively that it's a historical and cultural fixture which ought to be preserved even if it has largely outlived its usefulness, like a stately old house. I know several non-Christians who support it on one of these grounds.
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Old 11.11.2010, 14:18
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For some, yes. For others it's quite an individual decision. And for others (like me) it's both. Nothing wrong with that either... like supporting your hometown football team as an adult, even though your parents were the ones who chose for you to grow up in that town.

One can also make the argument that the church (say an independent local church, if the global organization of Catholicism bothers you) is a provider of social services and a major force for good in the community - or alternatively that it's a historical and cultural fixture which ought to be preserved even if it has largely outlived its usefulness, like a stately old house. I know several non-Christians who support it on one of these grounds.
Don't get me wrong, i don't agree with the Church of today,what the Church stood for before,that i agree with.

When i'm home and i run in to the " old " local priest who is now retired , i still have a chat with him as i respect the man.
Heck, there used to be a priest in the town my grandparents lived in (they were very Catholic), that brought his service in a fun way, thus filling his Church with allot of young people too.
He died 11 years ago and when i visit my grandparents grave, i will always walk by his one also and remember one of his classic jokes/stories he told.

I'm not that mad to go and "debaptise" myself like some do. I just don't agree with the Church of today, and how they act on issues within the Church.

Yes priests did bad things back then also, but when found out anno 2010 they should be judged and punished the same way like a normal citizen should when doing so. They don't stand above anyone.. spiritualistic? yes, other then that, no.. thats what angers me.
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Church taxes change from C/Kanton to C/Kanton. Neuchatel and Geneva did away with compulsory Church tax some years back and the Protestant Church is in deep trouble (selling about 50% of Vicarages - and having services in different villages on a rosta, etc). 4 Churches benefit from Church tax, Catholic, Protestant, Christian Catholic (similar to Church of England) and in some communities Jewish.

A friend of mine lives in the Upper Valais (Wallis) which is still staunchly Catholic (anti abortion, anti gay, etc etc) - and she would not be allowed to be buried in her local Cemetery as she is not Catholic. Given her body to scientific research, much better idea.

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Neuchatel and Geneva did away with compulsory Church tax some years back
So I don't have a choice but to pay this joke of a tax? I couldn't be more athiest, I feel disgusted.
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Old 11.11.2010, 18:48
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

I think some.people are getting a bit confused between real life and Star Wars....
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Is it just me or do there seem to be more anti-religious nutters around these days?
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On the contrary, if you live in NE or GE, you can just say you are atheist and not pay. You can even say you are Protestant or Catho, and not pay, but not in other C/Kanton. Mind you when we registered here at our Commune, they asked which religion we were, and when I said 'none' - she jumped and so did everybody in the office! I think it must have gone around the village like wildfire- especially as we had just bought the Vicarage.
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Haha!

To be honest, I didn't realise religion was still so prevelant in CH. One of my housemates at uni was from Vaud and she was Catholic, but I didn't know it was so common. As far as I'm concerned, people can worship whoever they want, as long as I don't have to pay for it! Speaking of which... who exactly do I contact then? I'm a bit miffed I wasn't even asked what my religion was and they're sneakily taking money off me for something I don't believe in.
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So I don't have a choice but to pay this joke of a tax? I couldn't be more athiest, I feel disgusted.
Actually there is an option of not signing into any Church, I am positive about this.
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