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Old 11.11.2010, 19:41
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So I don't have a choice but to pay this joke of a tax? I couldn't be more athiest, I feel disgusted.
Just sign out of it - I did, nobody batted an eye. What's the biggie?

There are dozens of "joke" taxes - some you can worm out of, some you just have to suck up and pay. That's life - no point to getting all "disgusted" about it.
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Thing is, even people who do not go to Church or believe, tend to shy away from officially 'signing out' in Switzerland, for social reasons, and also as a sort of insurance 'just in case'. Also because they still want to marry in Church, bury their elders (and perhaps themselves) and have kids Christened, first communion, etc - again for social/tradition reason. Mind you it is the same in the UK- but even more so because of CofE schools!! I knew so many people who baptised kids and went to Church for one year before kids were due to school, then a bit afterwards, and then sort of 'lost their faith'' or the habit to get up on Sunday morn. Personally I would not wish either of the above - so no prob. In NE or GE, you just don't pay - but elsewhere you have to actively opt out - and most do not. NE protestant Church is truly struggling to balance the books, whereas the Catholic Church is I suppose supported from Rome???
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Old 11.11.2010, 21:06
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So I don't have a choice but to pay this joke of a tax? I couldn't be more athiest, I feel disgusted.
I'm a Christian and don't pay the church tax, as I'm not a member of the churches that are recipient. This is in Baselland. Your cantonal mileage may vary. I'm fairly sure this has been discussed to death before...

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Old 11.11.2010, 22:35
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You only have to pay the church tax if you declare yourself to be Catholic/Protestant/Other when you register. If you don't tell you don't get taxed as Eire said earlier. However if you do attend church regularly questions may get asked and you could get caught out. I'm fortunate to be the child of atheists so have never had to pay this tax & I have never been questioned when saying I do not have a religion.
Do you have to pay a fine? Like on the train, it's 80 Francs?
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Old 11.11.2010, 22:53
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Much worse - in a small community you would be made to feel very uncomfortable!! And if a Catholic in some of the staunchly Catholic Cantons like Upper Wallis/Valais, burial in the cemetery would not be allowed. In a big town, it's a different story. Vicars and priests in small communities make sure the message gets through!
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Old 11.11.2010, 22:57
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So I don't have a choice but to pay this tax? I couldn't be more athiest.
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On the contrary, if you live in NE or GE, say you are atheist and not pay. You can even say you are Protestant or Catho, and not pay,
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they're sneakily taking money off me for something I don't believe in.
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Neuchatel and Geneva did away with compulsory Church tax
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In NE or GE, you just don't pay - but elsewhere you have to actively opt out - and most do not.
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Dear Higgybaby

I have just noticed you took a rep away ..why??

Is this not a forum where everyone has a right to have an opinion?
I say i don't like the way the church is going this day and age, you decide to both groan and de-rep me.

Groan all you want, thats why the button is there for..bad repping is another thing.
I don't necessarily agree with all your points, do you see me taking a rep away?
For whats its worth, put the green blob back and don't fall out over something i stand for, and you don't.

On topic : according to our Catholic friend here i posted a "Nice mindless generalising rant."

Some people just don't want to see or hear a bad word about the Church i guess but it is the truth or not? Why should a priest be protected for his sins, while anyone else doing a something wrong will be punished and jailed?

Who is a priest to think he or she is standing above the law ? And further more, why should we pay tax on a religion..where does the money end up?

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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

This is also a forum where everyone has the right to rep, disrep whomever they so feel.

I'm against church tax, as I'm against church being part of the state. However, the logic seems pretty clear: the church needs income - the full-time workers need something to live on, the buildings must be maintained, the poor need to be fed etc. In many places this comes in via the collection plate.

If you have a church which is part of the state, and the majority of citizens are members, then it makes sense to collect that money via the taxation system.

One of the most famous Christians, a chap named Paul (originally Saul), supported himself through his trade as a leather worker. He wrote most of the New Testament. He wasn't opposed to church workers living off the contributions of the congregation, but he didn't do it himself.
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Old 12.11.2010, 09:13
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In many places this comes in via the collection plate.
plus rents from massive land holdings, dividends from company interests, deathbed inheritances from lickle old ladies, investments in oil and other companies, etc etc etc.
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Oh yes. Them as well. But generally only for the bigger churches. In the UK there are some denominations which are entirely self-supporting.

I know one place where they don't have any full-time workers. Everyone (except the unemployed) has a full-time job in the real world. As a result, they're able to spend most of the church income on projects helping out the local community. What little they keep, goes on hiring their meeting hall and other sundry expenses.

That's a model I can respect.
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Re: Catholic Church taxes???!!!

Hi guys,

Can someone please tell me what happens if a Catholic parent has a child, lets the child be christened, and then leaves the Catholic church?

Does the parent still have to pay church taxes "for the child", or is s/he free of any obligations?

Thanks!
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Old 30.03.2012, 03:23
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Hi guys,

Can someone please tell me what happens if a Catholic parent has a child, lets the child be christened, and then leaves the Catholic church?

Does the parent still have to pay church taxes "for the child", or is s/he free of any obligations?

Thanks!
It's probably a lot less complicated to get the Christening done in the home country of the Catholic parent.
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Old 30.03.2012, 09:22
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Hi guys,

Can someone please tell me what happens if a Catholic parent has a child, lets the child be christened, and then leaves the Catholic church?

Does the parent still have to pay church taxes "for the child", or is s/he free of any obligations?

Thanks!
When you do your taxes, there's a space for you to write down the religion of each family member. The church tax will be divided up accordingly. Note that it doesn't matter whether the "religious" (i.e. belonging to one of the tax-supported denominations) family members are kids or adults, working or nonworking - it's just a straight-up head count, and the resulting tax rate is applied to the whole household income.

Example: one parent is listed as Catholic, one as "other/no religion" and the kids as one Catholic, one Reformed/Protestant. Since three out of four people in the household are "religious", church tax is assessed at 75% of whatever it would normally be, and of that tax, two thirds goes to the Catholic church and one third to the Reformed church.
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When you do your taxes, there's a space for you to write down the religion of each family member. The church tax will be divided up accordingly. Note that it doesn't matter whether the "religious" (i.e. belonging to one of the tax-supported denominations) family members are kids or adults, working or nonworking - it's just a straight-up head count, and the resulting tax rate is applied to the whole household income.

Example: one parent is listed as Catholic, one as "other/no religion" and the kids as one Catholic, one Reformed/Protestant. Since three out of four people in the household are "religious", church tax is assessed at 75% of whatever it would normally be, and of that tax, two thirds goes to the Catholic church and one third to the Reformed church.
Thank you so much!

So, in the 1 parent/1 kid family (parent "no religion", kid RC), the parent would have to pay 50% of whatever church tax would normally be?
Bummer. I thought the parent's leaving church got rid of church tax as well
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Old 30.03.2012, 15:33
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When you do your taxes, there's a space for you to write down the religion of each family member.
There isn't here.

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We quit all together. Problem sorted.
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I am surprised that Christian people object to paying the Church Tax. I don't pay it, as I do not expect the Church to marry me in Church, or to give a service for my burial, or to visit me when I get old, or if I am ill- and as I never attend services. But for those of you who expect those things to happen- who do you think pays the wages of the Vicars and Priests and their staff, who do you think pays for the Church repairs and the Vicarages that houses Vicars, Priests and staff. Who pays for their cars and petrols so they can visit the sick, the frail, the elderly all over the place, including in remote rural areas. The Catholic Church may have support from Rome, but the Protestant Churches here have NO INCOME WHATSOEVER. do you really think the Vicars can work for nothing, and support their families, etc? I am very good friends with one of the local Vicars- and we often talk about it. In Neuchatel the Church tax is optional - and they are really struggling to make ends meet. They have had to sell about 40% of their vicarages, and now have just a few Vicars sharing the work of many Parishes. And when people call the Vicar because a relative is dead, they say, can you organise the funeral and the service, but please NO religion, as we don't believe too much!

In my view, either you do, or you don't. I don't. Mix and Max is sheer hypocrisy imho. Fact is, if you want the Church to be there for you in happy and tough times, you should contribute to its upkeep, salaries, facilities, etc, etc. In Neuchatel btw you can pay Church taxes to the Synagogue in La Chaux-de-Fonds. And of course any Muslim knows that they are expected not to pay 1%, but 10% of income/wealth.
One of my cousin was an Episcopalian Minister in NJ, and the congregation paid all the expenses shared between them, I am sure a lot more than 1 %.

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