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Old 16.11.2011, 14:07
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this is what worries me about the internet -that you are so sure of this...yet its completely breaking the law. (which is very simple and there are signs round airports etc)

There is no law that requires declaration of gold or cash when entering country.

And no signs at airport. The one that not shared with neighbors doesn’t have any.
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Old 16.11.2011, 14:08
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Yes, but Switzerland is not an nearly every country.
Shame you didn't actually read your links...

And this was funny - totally up to date, ey:
"From all countries are prohibited the following: absinth and its imitations,"
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Shame you didn't actually read your links...

And this was funny - totally up to date, ey:
"From all countries are prohibited the following: absinth and its imitations,"
I did. Without restrictions mean no restrictions.

Wealth protection means privacy respect. I’m not agitating to smuggle dirty gold, but just trying to explain that person in a legal position of it doesn’t have to report or explain before any questions asked.

P.S. that separate EU borders regulation doesn’t mean you have to declare it when arriving from other areas. In fact it’s done to protect people from stress if it discovered in EU.

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I think the greatest risk from the Swiss authorities, if the quantity of gold was fairly large, is that they may insist you accept Swiss nationality.

Fairly large Gulfstream V load ? 'Mission of buying gold'

OK, pals, I think I found an answer on our dispute. Direct source.

CARRYING CASH

In the case of the importation, transit and export of cash (currency notes,coins, banker’s draft and cheques, securities, amongst others) with a value of more than CHF 10,000, upon request information must be given on the origin, the intended use and the beneficial owner. The right is reserved to take other measures linked to combating crime.

http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...gpKfo&typ=.pdf


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Old 17.11.2011, 05:31
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Disregarding the legality aspect for the moment - how, exactly, would the airport scanner distinguish a Krugerrand from a non-gold coin, or a small gold bar from a belt buckle?
Through the way different metals reflect the electromagnetic pulses of the metal detector. That's why modern metal detectors for hobby-searchers can tell them if the signal they found on the beach is a coin or just a piece of a coke can. If you search say an old battle field, you can even set them up to only alert on gold or silver and not for every iron bullet or arrowhead.

Going back to the airport ones: Ever seen the tv screen the operator looks like - stuff gets automatically colored on it depending on the material it is made of. Even the loop you run through has a small display indicating the material that triggered the alarm. I know cause some Indian guy in front of me caused an alarm once at Zurich airport and the two security guys looked at each other and said "Gold!". He was apparently wearing chains like Mr. T under his shirt...

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Through the way different metals reflect the electromagnetic pulses of the metal detector. That's why modern metal detectors for hobby-searchers can tell them if the signal they found on the beach is a coin or just a piece of a coke can. If you search say an old battle field, you can even set them up to only alert on gold or silver and not for every iron bullet or arrowhead.
I had been under the impression that metal detectors used by miners or hobbyists for distinguishing different metals in the ground usually rely on induction balance technology. The airport scanners, on the other hand, would typically use pulse induction, which is not very sensitive to the type of metal. Times change, of course, so my information might be out-of-date.

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Ever seen the tv screen the operator looks like - stuff gets automatically colored on it depending on the material it is made of.
Indeed I have seen one. Furthermore, I have seen gold on that screen, and to me it seemed indistinguishable in color from other metal items in the same bag. (Yes, that bag was mine; no, I was not smuggling anything from anywhere or to anywhere, just travelling with some valuables.)

Regarding your observations of the Indian gentleman at the loop: it is rather interesting that, apparently, some airport scanners these days might have more advanced detectors than they used to. You would certainly expect ZRH to have top-of-the-line equipment.
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I had been under the impression that metal detectors used by miners or hobbyists for distinguishing different metals in the ground usually rely on induction balance technology. The airport scanners, on the other hand, would typically use pulse induction, which is not very sensitive to the type of metal. Times change, of course, so my information might be out-of-date.
Correct and a good answer! There's no 'reflection' taking place but only induction.
BTW on YouTube there are a couple of channels dealing with coin hunting.
For example: http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericanCoinHunting
There they explain that the metal detectors are response-tuned to about the size and the metal of the coin being sought.
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Re: Bringing gold into Switzerland

I started this thread so I'll tell you what happened. The below information is
wrong. I brought gold out of the US into Switzerland. I wasn't arrested
and nobody confiscated my gold. And I didn't have a permit.

I did have receipts showing proof of purchase of my gold. When entering
switzerland I should have walked through the red entrance to declare it.
But I forgot and I walked out of the green entrance and customs did not
flag me down. This is luck. I would not do that next time. If you're bringing
more than CHF 10K worth of gold, I suggest that you walk through the
red entrance next time. I have to do several more trips like this so I'll
let you know what happens the next time I walk through the red entrance.

As far as leaving the US with more than USD 10K, if you take out cash
you have to to declare it when leaving. But I'm taking out gold not cash
but the market value of the gold is way more than 10K. I searched
extensively and I could not find any rules against that. I think the laws
and regulations are obscure by design. If it's written out in black and white
people can challenge that and get around it. But if it's fuzzy then customs
can make up the rules as they see fit in the name of fighting terrorism.

Just as FYI, the US government still values gold at $42.22 an ounce.
So using the government's own valuation scheme, I was taking out less than
10K in gold. Those idiots. See

http://www.fms.treas.gov/gold/index.html



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if you take gold out of u.s. you need an export permit, if over several thousand dollars. they will see it at airport security when leaving.
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Re: Bringing gold into Switzerland

Very interesting thread!

Yes indeed, you have to declare goods that exceed a certain value, for instance if you enter Switzerland at any borders you are not allowed to bring in goods that exceed a value of CHF 300.

However, this is related only to goods that you just bought. If you are a tourist and if you travel with your personal belongings, such as personal jewellery, then the case is completely different. If you have a wedding ring, for instance, that is worth 20K (some people do have such a thing :-) than you do not need to declare it.

However, when people arrive from countries where gold is much cheaper than in our countries, such as Turkey or Egypt, then they are likely to be subject to random cheeks at the airport. And if they see that the jewellery is not used (no traces of usage on it) and if it exceeds the allowed value, then you will have to pay import tax and also a fine for not declaring.

The same with goods, if you travel from countries where the currency exchange rate is favourable, such as US (for the time being) then they do random checks and they look in your suitcase. And it has nothing to do with x-ray scanning; they know how to pick up those who bring in goods without declaring them. You may be lucky and you may be not. The customs officers look at the luggage labels on your suitcase (an also at those "clever" guys, who have removed the luggage labels before going through the green corridor :-).

I know for instance from a friend who brought in more cigarettes than allowed and she had to pay in the end much more (customs tax and fine), then the value of the cigarettes in this country.

The only time when you are allowed to bring in more than an allowed value of precious metals, jewellery, etc. is when you are actually moving your tax residency from one country to another. You must therefore have a valid certificate of leave from one country and a registration in the new country. You will not have to declare and pay import taxt to your valuables in such a case; however, I would still do it to avoid possible complications.

Good luck!
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Just as FYI, the US government still values gold at $42.22 an ounce.
So using the government's own valuation scheme, I was taking out less than
10K in gold. Those idiots. See

http://www.fms.treas.gov/gold/index.html
My feeling tells me that you are applying a favourable interpretation to that clause. I doubt whether the airport customs men would agree with that.
I.e. from that govt. site: "The book value of gold is currently $42.2222 per troy ounce. The information used to compile this reporting is received from the U.S. Mint, Federal Reserve banks, and FMS."

My reading says that ONLY applies to "the U.S. Mint, Federal Reserve banks, and FMS."
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I started this thread so I'll tell you what happened. The below information is
wrong. I brought gold out of the US into Switzerland. I wasn't arrested
and nobody confiscated my gold. And I didn't have a permit.

I did have receipts showing proof of purchase of my gold. When entering
switzerland I should have walked through the red entrance to declare it.
No, you shouldn’t. Green channel is fine for going trough as long as you have a proof of legal ownership even if it doesn’t belong to you and you carry it on someone’s behalf.

Of course you can choose a red channel and increase your wealth tax.
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Yes indeed, you have to declare goods that exceed a certain value, for instance if you enter Switzerland at any borders you are not allowed to bring in goods that exceed a value of CHF 300.

[emphasis mine]
With very few exceptions (mostly food) you're allowed to bring in as much goods as you like. It's just that you have to pay VAT if the value is more than CHF 300.

There's no VAT on gold, BTW.
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Re: Bringing gold into Switzerland

I have emailed the US Customs regarding exporting gold from the USA. I was told that the value is based on the market value (around $1725/oz as of now) and not the indicative value ($50 for the 1oz Eagle). So anything above 10K market value needs to be declared.

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I started this thread so I'll tell you what happened. The below information is
wrong. I brought gold out of the US into Switzerland. I wasn't arrested
and nobody confiscated my gold. And I didn't have a permit.

I did have receipts showing proof of purchase of my gold. When entering
switzerland I should have walked through the red entrance to declare it.
But I forgot and I walked out of the green entrance and customs did not
flag me down. This is luck. I would not do that next time. If you're bringing
more than CHF 10K worth of gold, I suggest that you walk through the
red entrance next time. I have to do several more trips like this so I'll
let you know what happens the next time I walk through the red entrance.

As far as leaving the US with more than USD 10K, if you take out cash
you have to to declare it when leaving. But I'm taking out gold not cash
but the market value of the gold is way more than 10K. I searched
extensively and I could not find any rules against that. I think the laws
and regulations are obscure by design. If it's written out in black and white
people can challenge that and get around it. But if it's fuzzy then customs
can make up the rules as they see fit in the name of fighting terrorism.

Just as FYI, the US government still values gold at $42.22 an ounce.
So using the government's own valuation scheme, I was taking out less than
10K in gold. Those idiots. See

http://www.fms.treas.gov/gold/index.html
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Now he will even have UK inheritance tax on his death on the apartment.
Incredible and he is even Swiss.
That depends on if he is UK domiciled (UK meaning), however that will be easy to get out of once the new UK residency become law, assuming he is not living in the UK.
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