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Old 02.05.2012, 09:45
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Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

Hello foodies

I really fancy eating a load of barbecue this summer - I guess the hot weather's getting to me !

At the moment I've got a little spherical charcoal grill which sits a few inches off the floor, meaning I have to cook all squatted down. My guests get to ogle my builder's bum which I'm sure puts them right off the food

It's also a bit of a hazard with kids around (the grill, not my bum).

So what replacement can you recommend ? I'm leaning towards gas for convenience and for it being a bit cleaner, but I sort of still think coal is 'the right way' to do it. Is there a hybrid - gas on one side with a little coal section ? What do you use - and while you're thinking about it - what do you like to cook ?

One of my favourites is tandoori pork loin - you can buy those long pork loins in the supermarkets here - I call them 'weasels' to gross out my guests, but slather one of those in a good tandoori sauce, start it slow in the oven and finish on the grill - oh lord it's good !
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Old 02.05.2012, 09:54
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Re: Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

I've got a lovely big Weber ( ohhh, errr ) , but more often than not I just use a little grill not totally unlike what you suggested, but popped up on a table quite secure and in a corner of our yard.

We generally don't have any kids around and if one or two visiting get burned accidentally ... well.... they have to learn somehow don't they?

p.s... charcoal.. the only way to go

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Hello foodies

I really fancy eating a load of barbecue this summer - I guess the hot weather's getting to me !

At the moment I've got a little spherical charcoal grill which sits a few inches off the floor, meaning I have to cook all squatted down. My guests get to ogle my builder's bum which I'm sure puts them right off the food

It's also a bit of a hazard with kids around (the grill, not my bum).

So what replacement can you recommend ? I'm leaning towards gas for convenience and for it being a bit cleaner, but I sort of still think coal is 'the right way' to do it. Is there a hybrid - gas on one side with a little coal section ? What do you use - and while you're thinking about it - what do you like to cook ?

One of my favourites is tandoori pork loin - you can buy those long pork loins in the supermarkets here - I call them 'weasels' to gross out my guests, but slather one of those in a good tandoori sauce, start it slow in the oven and finish on the grill - oh lord it's good !
Being new in Switzerland I have not scoped out BBQ as I purchased a new one just before leaving Canada. what is becoming extremely popular is the double drum...you have both options one side is coal the other gas / propane ...I was on the verge of buying one but for ease and comfort stuck to the propane....They maybe available here..
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Re: Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

We have been using a barbecook charcoal model for many years and are quite happy with it.

Only drawback IMHO: The suggested method of using some newsprint to start the fire sometimes fails when it's windy and then you still need some lighter cubes.
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Re: Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

I am a barbecue nut....my neighbors can attest to me grilling breakfast at 7AM in the morning.

That being said, i very much prefer the gas grill to the charcoal. Yes, charcoal is supposed to provide that "smoke flavor". On things like sausages it makes no difference. On steaks, chicken and burgers I personally don't notice a difference. Much more important is that you use the proper seasoning, the meat is marinated, and the barbecue sauce. My preference is Sweet baby rays. I like the convenience of not having to wait 30 minutes for the coals to be ready and my neighbors dont complain about the smell because its done fairly quickly.

So get a Gas Grill....there is a decent Weber Grill on sale most places for around 300 CHF
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I noticed in Bauhaus, www.bauhaus.ch that they have a split coal and gas BBQ can't remember the price though.
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Re: Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

We just got a Koenig Compact Pro (not really compact as it would seem), works great and the price was right on sale $299 at Fust and I had a 10% coupon. Good for 6, maybe 8 people.

Be careful about charcoal. Depending on what type of situation you live in -- if an apartment or complex, and where the grill sits -- the charcoal smoke can stain a wall or ceiling on a patio if not in the open, and more importantly, people complain here about the smoke smell. Our neighbors are lamenting because they just went out and got an expensive charcoal grill and can't use it because the upstairs neighbors were complaining about the smoke and smell. I heard that happens here a lot so most people go with gas. We got ours 1 1/2 months ago and I haven't used the stove since!
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So what replacement can you recommend ? I'm leaning towards gas for convenience and for it being a bit cleaner, but I sort of still think coal is 'the right way' to do it.
I've never seen the point of gas barbequeues - you might as well just cook inside if you're going to do that. Oh, and also, the idea of cooking everything on the bbq then transferring to serving plates and eating as a normal meal round a table. NO. Eat stuff as it's cooked, self-service (maybe with a warm area above the grill to transfer cooked things to).

And for me it's also important to start the charcoal with a small wood fire, and ti use lumpwood charcoal. not those awful briquette things. Cooking over a real fire is what it's always been about for me.

We have a couple of options, one a smoker type, square with a hinged top and regulated back and top vents, which can be made to cook slowly if you want, and has an extra raised area to keep things from overcooking. The other is more simple, an open rectangular grill, with a raised burning area and rounded bottom. This is great for quick hot cooking, and is much larger so is used if we have a lot of guests. It does require constamt attendance though, moving things around quickly as they become cooked; a hot and cool zone being regulated by how much charcoal you pile on in various places.

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One of my favourites is tandoori pork loin - you can buy those long pork loins in the supermarkets here - I call them 'weasels' to gross out my guests, but slather one of those in a good tandoori sauce, start it slow in the oven and finish on the grill - oh lord it's good !
Sounds like you're talking about tenderloin, aka pork fillet, aka Filet Mignon de porc. Very nice cut, need minimal cooking, and your recipe sounds mouth-wateringly good. Must give it a try, although I'd tend towards - slow cook it in the smoker with the lid and vents closed, then open it up and let the heat increase to finish it.
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Re: Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

I scored a Blaser + Trosch (http://freizeit.freizeitmacher.ch/) BBQ a few years back, a similar model to the Black Diamond 2 on page 12 of that brochure, it fortunately fit on my small balcony

I can only say one thing: Pro-Pain Pro-Pain Pro-Pain!
(hmmm guess that inside joke doesn't go when one was not at that festival where the drunken guys where shouting that all night long )

The only problem with Gas (propane) is that you need to check once in a while that there is enough left so that you do not run out in the middle of a party, but I solved that partially with a 10L gas flask, at least that gets one through the summer With charcoal it is easy to see how much one got left and generally one can finnish bbq'ing on what you got, the disadvantage is that it takes much longer to heat up, while gas, just turn it on, and in 5 mins you got a hot grill.
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I've never seen the point of gas barbequeues - you might as well just cook inside if you're going to do that. Oh, and also, the idea of cooking everything on the bbq then transferring to serving plates and eating as a normal meal round a table. NO. Eat stuff as it's cooked, self-service (maybe with a warm area above the grill to transfer cooked things to).

And for me it's also important to start the charcoal with a small wood fire, and ti use lumpwood charcoal. not those awful briquette things. Cooking over a real fire is what it's always been about for me.

We have a couple of options, one a smoker type, square with a hinged top and regulated back and top vents, which can be made to cook slowly if you want, and has an extra raised area to keep things from overcooking. The other is more simple, an open rectangular grill, with a raised burning area and rounded bottom. This is great for quick hot cooking, and is much larger so is used if we have a lot of guests. It does require constamt attendance though, moving things around quickly as they become cooked; a hot and cool zone being regulated by how much charcoal you pile on in various places.



Sounds like you're talking about tenderloin, aka pork fillet, aka Filet Mignon de porc. Very nice cut, need minimal cooking, and your recipe sounds mouth-wateringly good. Must give it a try, although I'd tend towards - slow cook it in the smoker with the lid and vents closed, then open it up and let the heat increase to finish it.
I hear you on that Ace1. But unfortunately, we are on the ground floor but our patio is enclosed by walls (white) and the top floor balcony overhangs it with a sunshade (also white). So we were concerned about the smoke stains. We also get high winds here as we face the lake and the smoke carries.

When we get back to the States and get a house we will build the proper outdoor fire pit and BBQ. For now, how the gas grill helps me -- (and the food does not taste as good as a charcoal granted) -- I HATE these electric ovens here. Too small and the food tastes like crap. So to at least have gas is a better option. The clean up is great compared to cooking inside and having to clean these crappy ovens each time I cook . Also, I like to use it year round (have BBQed in dead of winter) and gas is much easier. And for social situations it still gives the feeling that you are out there on the grill.....

Also, for the lump charcoal, trying throwing on some fresh herbs or in our case even grapevines (we are in the Lavaux) on the charcoal.
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I've never seen the point of gas barbequeues - you might as well just cook inside if you're going to do that.
I've used one for years, but converted it to a pizza oven after I got my smoker with offset firebox (though you can also use it in direct heat mode as well).

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Not sure if this thread is still alive...

Have any of you used the gas barbecue that has pieces of lava rock that heat up?
What is the advantage of having these rocks?
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Have any of you used the gas barbecue that has pieces of lava rock that heat up?
What is the advantage of having these rocks?
Yes, I have one.

They help to spread the heat to convey a more conventional char coal bbq, as the flame tends to be restricted to the front and back. Also, they collect the drippings etc and add to the flavour over time as they burn off all that goodness when cooking.
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Re: Barbecues / Grills - what to get ?

Buy a weber gas grill. It will last you 20 years. I recommend the Spirit model.

You can buy a small smoker box where you put in pre-soaked wood chips to get the smoke flavor, although it works best on roasts or turkeys that are in there for several hours. Just place on top of grill in the corner.

Coal is supposed to be superior in the eyes of purists, but the hassle, the wait, the smoke, the clean-up, in the end makes gas a superior solution.
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Buy a weber gas grill. It will last you 20 years. I recommend the Spirit model.
It looks great but seems to be quite big

Do you know if it can be left outside on a balcony all year?
The balcony itself has no cover, but i could cover the grill as i am sure there is a cover that they sell too...
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Buy the cover for the grill. You can then leave it outside indefinitely.
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Buy a weber gas grill. It will last you 20 years. I recommend the Spirit model.

You can buy a small smoker box where you put in pre-soaked wood chips to get the smoke flavor, although it works best on roasts or turkeys that are in there for several hours. Just place on top of grill in the corner.

Coal is supposed to be superior in the eyes of purists, but the hassle, the wait, the smoke, the clean-up, in the end makes gas a superior solution.
funny you should say that, but I've just splashed out on a Genesis, awaiting delivery hopefully sometime very soon since summer seems to be making an appearance.
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Coal is supposed to be superior in the eyes of purists, but the hassle, the wait, the smoke, the clean-up, in the end makes gas a superior solution.
I guess it will always come down to personal preference, but as has been said before, if you're going to BBQ, then use charcoal. Otherwise you have simply moved your gas cooker/overgrown camp stove outside.
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I guess it will always come down to personal preference, but as has been said before, if you're going to BBQ, then use charcoal. Otherwise you have simply moved your gas cooker/overgrown camp stove outside.
I guess if you want to take it to the extreme, then you wouldn't use charcoal at all, but only wood.
This is what I do back home, at my vacation house. Unfortunately here i do not have the time available to be spending two hours grilling.

So between not grilling on weekdays, and grilling on gas, i chose gas.
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