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Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

Hi All, I am hoping you more experienced foodies can help answer a question.

In the US I avoided sausages with preservatives, especially nitrates and MSG, they can give me headaches. Do you know what preservatives are normally used in making sausages and dried meats? I am checking the ingredients lists of the products in Coop and Migros and I can't figure out what most of them say. I think my next step is the butcher, but don't have the vocabulary to ask the question. I love charcuterie and want to try everything!

Thanks for your help!
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Hi All, I am hoping you more experienced foodies can help answer a question.

In the US I avoided sausages with preservatives, especially nitrates and MSG, they can give me headaches. Do you know what preservatives are normally used in making sausages and dried meats? I am checking the ingredients lists of the products in Coop and Migros and I can't figure out what most of them say. I think my next step is the butcher, but don't have the vocabulary to ask the question. I love charcuterie and want to try everything!
"Proper" cured ham shouldn't have anything added to it expect salt to cure it.
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

Most - if not all - cured meats and sausages (like salami, not fresh) will contain nitrates to act as a colour fixing agent and an anti-bacterial
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Hi All, I am hoping you more experienced foodies can help answer a question.

In the US I avoided sausages with preservatives, especially nitrates and MSG, they can give me headaches. Do you know what preservatives are normally used in making sausages and dried meats? I am checking the ingredients lists of the products in Coop and Migros and I can't figure out what most of them say. I think my next step is the butcher, but don't have the vocabulary to ask the question. I love charcuterie and want to try everything!

Thanks for your help!
Just a heads up. Whenever you reach this place and decide to head to a store in order to inquire about preservatives in the sausage....brace yourself for various random reactions. The word preservatives has a completely different meaning in Switzerland (unless it's translated properly).
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Just a heads up. Whenever you reach this place and decide to head to a store in order to inquire about preservatives in the sausage....brace yourself for various random reactions. The word preservatives has a completely different meaning in Switzerland (unless it's translated properly).
Yeah, you might be sold a sausage skin that you have to fill yourself.
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

Hmmm, Nitrates are used for curing and MSG is a taste enhancer.

Were you thinking of additives as well or just preservatives, the above of which are neither.
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Hmmm, Nitrates are used for curing and MSG is a taste enhancer.

Were you thinking of additives as well or just preservatives, the above of which are neither.

Sorry to be pedantic (actually, I'm not ) but nitrates are added to inhibit the growth of clostridium bacteria and therefore allow the meat to survive longer and are therefore a preservative
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Sorry to be pedantic (actually, I'm not ) but nitrates are added to inhibit the growth of clostridium bacteria and therefore allow the meat to survive longer and are therefore a preservative

My man says differently.,..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage...te_and_nitrate
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

It says what I says, no?
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

Anyway, if nitrates/nitrates are a problem for you, you're out of luck, they are in pretty much any cured meat product.

In fact, I use them when I make corned beef (made my own Prague #1, got the sodium nitrite at the droguerie).

Sodium nitrite = E250
Sodium nitrate = E251
Potassium nitrite = E249
Potassium nitrate = E252

from here.

Note that all E2xx are listed as preservatives.

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Just a heads up. Whenever you reach this place and decide to head to a store in order to inquire about preservatives in the sausage....brace yourself for various random reactions. The word preservatives has a completely different meaning in Switzerland (unless it's translated properly).
Thanks for the heads up! I will tread slowly at the butcher's.....

So I am hearing that nitrate free (or even minimal nitrates) and MSG free charcuterie are not readily available here. I am sad, but am not giving up!
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Thanks for the heads up! I will tread slowly at the butcher's.....

So I am hearing that nitrate free (or even minimal nitrates) and MSG free charcuterie are not readily available here. I am sad, but am not giving up!
Well, I think MSG free will be reasonably easy to get here, but I don't think you will be able to get nitrate free charcuterie anywhere in the world. I doubt it exists
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

Make your own? ....I'm sure you can get your butcher to mince the right meaty bits and give you some gut-lining (or whatever they use) and then you put in your own seasoning and stuff away.... .....and then fry away
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

E621 is the code for MSG - it can also be called "Geschmacksverstärker" on the label

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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

you could also try buying "Bündnerfleisch" or "Mostbröckli" (dried beef) - I don't think all of these have MSG
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you could also try buying "Bündnerfleisch" or "Mostbröckli" (dried beef) - I don't think all of these have MSG
Or save the money and just chew your shoes - won't notice the difference IMO
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I think it tastes good, especially on rye "Knäckebrot" :-)
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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?


In Coop you have a fewoptions.

Some of the organic coopsalami contains only Potassium nitrate (E252). Also, in the section where themeats are cut and handmade you would find pork or beef with no preservatives.

A lot of the cured meats,even the organic ones, which hang in the fridge, would contain E250. It is alsoallowed by the Swiss organic label. I suppose the main purpose being to protectus from clostridium, while it is impossible to find a high quality ham thatwould not contain those additives.

You could get a Landjager(or whatever is called) "ohne Nitrite" (or something like that) inthe organic shops (ask the staff if they do not have it on the shelves or check"pico bio shop" on line)

If you a mindful of MSGlook for the number E621 . Some fresh sausages in coop would contain it, so asmany, sadly many, other products, despite being put officially finally on thelist of carcinogens.

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Re: Preservatives in Sausages and cured meats?

Sorry, yes E621 is MSG, E322 is lecithin.
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