Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Food and drink
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06.12.2012, 22:29
cheesey's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,115
Groaned at 25 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 1,702 Times in 552 Posts
cheesey has a reputation beyond reputecheesey has a reputation beyond reputecheesey has a reputation beyond reputecheesey has a reputation beyond reputecheesey has a reputation beyond repute
Excellent Swiss wines

Please tell us your favorites. Appellation/area, producer, grape, supplier.


I love many and appreciate most that I've tried, but want to learn more, so any opinions welcome. No snobbishness please :-)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07.12.2012, 09:06
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Berne
Posts: 553
Groaned at 20 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 593 Times in 275 Posts
xkcd has an excellent reputationxkcd has an excellent reputationxkcd has an excellent reputationxkcd has an excellent reputation
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Bianco Rovere: Ticino, Guido Brivio, (white) Merlot, Globus and others (Coop in Lugano)
Aigle Les Murailles: Valais, Badoux vins, Chasselas, Manor and others
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07.12.2012, 09:16
PaddyG's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Villars-sur-Glâne, FR
Posts: 7,192
Groaned at 93 Times in 79 Posts
Thanked 11,370 Times in 4,106 Posts
PaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond reputePaddyG has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Humagne Rouge is the best Swiss red in my opinion.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08.12.2012, 18:19
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 12
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
charsiey has no particular reputation at present
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

I like the Dole Des Monts Robert Gilliard S.A. from Sion, AOC 2011. It's a not too expensive, decent red from Valais.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10.12.2012, 09:23
Leafy's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: ...
Posts: 946
Groaned at 89 Times in 68 Posts
Thanked 1,399 Times in 544 Posts
Leafy has a reputation beyond reputeLeafy has a reputation beyond reputeLeafy has a reputation beyond reputeLeafy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
I like the Dole Des Monts Robert Gilliard S.A. from Sion, AOC 2011. It's a not too expensive, decent red from Valais.
Their white is also one of my favourites.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12.12.2012, 23:11
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zug
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
HossH has no particular reputation at present
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

I'm a big Pinot Noir fan. Try 'Pinot Noir R' or maybe ZWAA from Ruedi Baumann in Schaffhausen. If you prefer Merlot, then Daniel Huber's Montagna Magica is fabulous (Here's a video where he describes it: Montagna Magica Video
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12.12.2012, 23:20
Jumping Captain's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: CH
Posts: 1,200
Groaned at 86 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 1,048 Times in 536 Posts
Jumping Captain has a reputation beyond reputeJumping Captain has a reputation beyond reputeJumping Captain has a reputation beyond reputeJumping Captain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Preference here is a few select special wines from a winery in Salgesh.

My personal favorites are Humagne Rouge, Syrah, Merlot, Non-Filtre (!) and the Sélection specials from the masters themselves.
JC
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12.12.2012, 23:55
Sapin's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: JU/NE
Posts: 530
Groaned at 48 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 547 Times in 197 Posts
Sapin has a reputation beyond reputeSapin has a reputation beyond reputeSapin has a reputation beyond reputeSapin has a reputation beyond reputeSapin has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Tried this the other evening - can recommend
Attached Thumbnails
excellent-swiss-wines-image.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 13.12.2012, 00:56
JBZ86's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Zurich and various mountains
Posts: 4,004
Groaned at 538 Times in 347 Posts
Thanked 4,201 Times in 1,918 Posts
JBZ86 has a reputation beyond reputeJBZ86 has a reputation beyond reputeJBZ86 has a reputation beyond reputeJBZ86 has a reputation beyond reputeJBZ86 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

I can't find a red wine that surpasses my enjoyment and loyalty to a Rioja or Amarone, if anyone has any suggestions that can match up then do share.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 13.12.2012, 07:22
smoky's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Zurich Unterland
Posts: 2,957
Groaned at 85 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 3,847 Times in 1,552 Posts
smoky has a reputation beyond reputesmoky has a reputation beyond reputesmoky has a reputation beyond reputesmoky has a reputation beyond reputesmoky has a reputation beyond reputesmoky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Best wines, in my region of Unterland, are made in this little Winery

http://www.kramer-weine.ch/index.php

I`ve tasted wines from all around the region, and haven`t found better than the various Kramer wines.

Maybe I`m biased by how hard he works, and how dedicated he and his Mom are to the winemaking. It`s an old traditional wine-making family.
Their open days for degustation are always most enjoyable.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 13.12.2012, 09:02
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zug
Posts: 14
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
HossH has no particular reputation at present
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
I can't find a red wine that surpasses my enjoyment and loyalty to a Rioja or Amarone, if anyone has any suggestions that can match up then do share.
Switzerland is a 'cool climate' winegrowing region and it is hard to imitate wines from 'hot climate' regions here. I know that Fernand Cina in Salgesch has planted some Temperanillo, Nebbiolo and Sangiovese on a piece of rock above the village where it gets particularly hot. Have not tried it though. I also know that a few winemakers are experimenting with drying their grapes like you would for an amarone (e.g. Stefan Gysel in Hallau), but it is still cool climate grape varieties grown in a cool climate - I like his wine, but it is not an amarone.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 23.01.2014, 20:25
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Rapperswil
Posts: 8
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
ildi77ko has no particular reputation at present
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
I like the Dole Des Monts Robert Gilliard S.A. from Sion, AOC 2011. It's a not too expensive, decent red from Valais.
This is pretty good indeed, bought it today in Coop for CHF 16.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 23.01.2014, 21:31
Pachyderm's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 533
Groaned at 32 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 1,083 Times in 347 Posts
Pachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond reputePachyderm has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
Switzerland is a 'cool climate' winegrowing region and it is hard to imitate wines from 'hot climate' regions here. I know that Fernand Cina in Salgesch has planted some Temperanillo, Nebbiolo and Sangiovese on a piece of rock above the village where it gets particularly hot. Have not tried it though. I also know that a few winemakers are experimenting with drying their grapes like you would for an amarone (e.g. Stefan Gysel in Hallau), but it is still cool climate grape varieties grown in a cool climate - I like his wine, but it is not an amarone.
Interesting, thanks.

I agree with the general comments about the climate. I've found Swiss wines almost universally pleasant and well made, but those widely available just don't have the complexity to bear comparison with the classics.

I find Ticino merlot offers decent 'bang for the buck'. Always loads of fruit -- more like upper class gamay wines (e.g. the single village Beaujolais) -- than the meaty merlots of hotter climates like California.

I suspect there are odd pockets of vines that do produce something really special but you probably have to know the wineries personally, as some of the above seem to!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Pachyderm for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 23.01.2014, 21:37
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 9,190
Groaned at 70 Times in 63 Posts
Thanked 13,074 Times in 5,148 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
I find Ticino merlot offers decent 'bang for the buck'. Always loads of fruit -- more like upper class gamay wines (e.g. the single village Beaujolais) -- than the meaty merlots of hotter climates like California.
I had an organic Ticinese merlot in a restaurant a couple of years ago, unfortunately I don't have a clue what it was called but it was bloody delish.

I'm nowhere near a wine connoisseur beyond the highly subjective "I like that one, I'll buy some more". Would you happen to know some types that I could hunt out and see if I can track it down again?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 24.01.2014, 06:03
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 17,014
Groaned at 247 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 10,324 Times in 6,017 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
Please tell us your favorites. Appellation/area, producer, grape, supplier.


I love many and appreciate most that I've tried, but want to learn more, so any opinions welcome. No snobbishness please :-)
I have a preference for

- grape = Blauburgunder
- areas = Stein am Rhein, Andelfingen, Bündner-Herrschaft,
-- Küsnacht/ZH, Bielersee, Lavaux, Geneva
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 24.01.2014, 06:19
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 17,014
Groaned at 247 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 10,324 Times in 6,017 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
Interesting, thanks.

I agree with the general comments about the climate. I've found Swiss wines almost universally pleasant and well made, but those widely available just don't have the complexity to bear comparison with the classics.

I find Ticino merlot offers decent 'bang for the buck'. Always loads of fruit -- more like upper class gamay wines (e.g. the single village Beaujolais) -- than the meaty merlots of hotter climates like California.

I suspect there are odd pockets of vines that do produce something really special but you probably have to know the wineries personally, as some of the above seem to!
There is a problem with the combination of sorts and height. "Southern" sorts done in the Veltlin/Valtellina should be consumed at above 800 meters as they if consumed in "normal" areas lose a lot of their unique flavour.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 24.01.2014, 06:21
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 17,014
Groaned at 247 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 10,324 Times in 6,017 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
I had an organic Ticinese merlot in a restaurant a couple of years ago, unfortunately I don't have a clue what it was called but it was bloody delish.

I'm nowhere near a wine connoisseur beyond the highly subjective "I like that one, I'll buy some more". Would you happen to know some types that I could hunt out and see if I can track it down again?
If it was red wine, it most likely was a sort of Merlot del Ticino. Just as in the Merlot in the Ticino, the Gamay dominates in Geneva

Last edited by Wollishofener; 25.01.2014 at 07:02.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Wollishofener for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 24.01.2014, 10:42
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Ittigen BE
Posts: 90
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 30 Times in 20 Posts
ozzman1 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Cannot provide all requested information, but anyway:

Whites: St. Saphorin (reg. Lavaux), Johannisberg (generally Valais)

Reds: Pinot Noir (reg. Salgesch), Gamay Romand (sorry, no idea)

I threw away the bottles, so I don't know the manufacturer.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 24.01.2014, 11:27
Wollishofener's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Glattbrugg
Posts: 17,014
Groaned at 247 Times in 190 Posts
Thanked 10,324 Times in 6,017 Posts
Wollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond reputeWollishofener has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

Quote:
View Post
Cannot provide all requested information, but anyway:

Whites: St. Saphorin (reg. Lavaux), Johannisberg (generally Valais)

Reds: Pinot Noir (reg. Salgesch), Gamay Romand (sorry, no idea)

I threw away the bottles, so I don't know the manufacturer.
you got it quite correctly. The AOC

AOC bei Schweizer Weinen

Im Jahr 1988 wurde für Schweizer Weine erstmals eine AOC-Regelung eingeführt. Das erfolgte für die Terroirs im Kanton Genf. Das Wallis und die Neuenburger Region folgten 1990, das Tessin 1997 (hier DOC genannt, Denominazione di origine controllata).[2]
Die Auszeichnung mit der Appellation kann vom Kanton (beispielsweise AOC Valais) oder von der Gemeinde (beispielsweise AOC Yvorne) vergeben werden. Damit ein Wein dieses Prädikat erhalten kann, müssen vom jeweiligen Winzer strenge Produktionsrichtlinien erfüllt werden. Diese können in den Regionen differieren, sind aber in der Regel auf folgende Parameter orientiert: Bestockung, Dichte der Rebstöcke, Ertrag pro Quadratmeter, geringer Zuckergehalt (abgestimmt nach Rebsorte) sowie Verfahrensdetails bei der Herstellung. In den für Weinbau relevanten Kantonen sind hierzu Gesetze erlassen worden. Dabei werden auch nach Rot- und Weissweinen differenzierte Beschränkungen für die Erträge auf dem Quadratmeter festgelegt, um die erwünscht hohen Qualitätskriterien zu sichern.[2]
Um die Spitze der Qualitätsweine deutlicher hervorzustellen, werden zusätzliche Attribute nach ergänzenden strengen Bestimmungen verliehen. Im Kanton Genf ist das AOC Premier Cru, im Kanton Valais ist es AOC Grand Cru und im Kanton Waadt werden sie in mehreren Abstufungen vergeben. Das Qualitätslabel des Tessins lautet Viti und steht für Vini Ticinesi und kann nur an Merlot-Weine vergeben werden. Der Kanton Neuenburg ermöglicht kantonale, kommunale oder regionale Appellationen. In den Deutschschweizer Kantonen wurden auch AOC-Prädikate eingeführt, zunächst im Aargau, in Luzern, Schaffhausen und St. Gallen.[2]


WAS introduced in various cantons but not on a federal level, and so, few people really notice. I expect that Switzerland in the end will take over the far more exact German categorization
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 24.01.2014, 12:48
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: zurich
Posts: 66
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
peaky has no particular reputation at present
Re: Excellent Swiss wines

For a white wine my experience is that you cant go wrong with anything from Mont Sur Rolle.

Baccarrat from cave Geneve is a very acceptable and well priced bubbly (champagne) wine.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
swiss wines, wine




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
the Vinea Swiss wines fair SuisseRomand Food and drink 0 18.08.2012 07:27
The Best Swiss Wines smbuzby Food and drink 20 06.09.2011 04:46
Australian Wines portsmouth68 Commercial 2 24.03.2010 09:13
[Murtensee / VD] 1996 Kawasaki ZZR 1100 For sale, excellent Swiss registered bike PC_Advisor Items for sale 6 29.11.2009 08:23
Bacchus Wines BacchusWines Commercial 0 19.05.2005 11:11


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0