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Taking the kids for fondue

Hi - first time posting, but have been lurking for awhile, ever since i knew we were moving here at the end of the summer. So please excuse any errors/breaches of protocol!

We have just moved to Zug (been here two weeks) from England and I would like to take the kids 5,4 and nearly 3) for fondu at lunch time; can anyone suggest a good local place?

BTW definitely going to make fondu at home, but just want to try it out on them first before acquiring the equipment etc.
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Probably not a good idea for young children, can't recall how old mine were when we started them on it.

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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Is that right? Too messy ?
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

No, hot, and risk of mouth burning.

I've been eating/making it for 35 years (since I was at university), and still burn my mouth from time to time if I'm not careful, young children are much more fragile and much less careful.

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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Which type of fondu? (there are 3 main ones).
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Fondue au fromage (cheese fondue- and there are many versions)

Fondue chinoise : meat cooked in stock

Fondue Bourguignonne : meat cooked in oil

With Bourguignonne and chesse fondue- supervision is required as well as swapping to another fork than the one used in the pot.
Young kids rarely enjoy cheese fondue- I'd say from age 8 onwards. Also, much better to have fondue in a simple mountain inn after a bik walk, or ski, sledge, etc, in the snow. Never makes sense to me to see people eating a cheese fondue in a restaurant in central Zurich or Geneva (or Neuchâtel even!).
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Our three year old and five year old children love it (food should be fun to eat) and have never burnt themselves.

It just needs a little bit of supervision.

Make sure there's not too much alcohol in there though which is probably more likely with a home-made one.
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Which type of fondu? (there are 3 main ones).
True, chinoise should not be a problem, but the other two certainly can be.

Sill, my kids were eating all three by the time they were 8 or so, but certainly not at 3.

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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

We've done it various ways with NickatBaselJnr. For example scooping a bit of cheese into a separate bowl from the Cachelon for him to dip into. But as he's grown up in CH he's become accustomed to various things involving dangerous tabletop equipment and flames.

He's not a big fan of fondue anyway, so what we normally do if we have fondue at home is put some slices of unmelted cheese on a plate for him and put various bread, potatoes, veggies on the side for him.

We also have one of those tabletop grill things for raclette - again we give him the uncooked raclette cheese and he is adept enough at putting veggies, meats etc on the grill top.

The thing to do is take the kids for fondue by all means - they have to get used to it - but just make sure they're well away from the hot stuff until you are sure they are not going to burn themselves - so put the cachelon on the end of the table with the adults.

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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Not trying to be the overly cautious American here, but...

A Swiss friend of mine told me recently that the meat fondues can pose a health risk because of bacteria. For that reason, I guess she never allows her kids to eat it. (I personally don't like it, so I never make it.) But of course, "to each their own."

As for the cheese ones, my three year old can't stand it (shame, since both my hubby and I love it). But the times our son has had it, we definitely had to either watch him very carefully with the fork or be sure to do the "dipping" for him -- and definitely make sure it's cooled before allowing him to take a bite.

(I grew up with a grandfather who, when he was little, witnessed a neighbor boy fall off his chair with a fork and lose an eye because of it. So that "be careful with your fork" thing has been deeply embedded in my brain).
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Ok. Thank you so much for these replies; it can wait, we are going to be here for awhile, so given the temp issue, maybe I should just try it at home first.

So, if I wanted to have quintessential fondu (cheese or otherwise) without kids, is there somewhere particularly good in Zug?
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

And on no account use Three Kings bread for dipping as there is a risk of choking on the small plastic figure.

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A Swiss friend of mine told me recently that the meat fondues can pose a health risk because of bacteria.
Nonsense.

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Oh dear Pancakes- not another worry + the fork

Re bacteria- the key is not to put raw meat on the same plate as the one you eat from- then there is not concern at all as the meat is cooked in the pot, and so are the bacteria!

You and your kids will survive the fondue experience, honest x
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

My kids love the meat fondue, don't say that is an Health and Safety issue as well.
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Happy to hear that, it's quite nice here
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Re: Taking the kids for fondu

Sorry to go a shade off topic....

Cheese Fondue is not difficult to make at home. Even our local Coop sells fondue sets, forks etc - and unlike elsewhere in the world, there is no 70s naffness at all when you own one in Switzerland.

We normally have ours with Nusslisalat (lamb's lettuce salad with chopped up egg, bread croutons and fried bacon bits) as a starter. I normally go for 800g mixed grated cheese (equal proportions Emmentaler, Gruyere, Appenzeller - though whatever is left in the fridge is a candidate - once even leftover Red Leicester), to about 400ml wine. I thicken the cheese with a tablespoon of cornflour mixed to a paste with Kirsch and add some sweet paprika and mustard at before serving.

Anyway, back to the Zugers for the restaurant recommendations.

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Ok. Thank you so much for these replies; it can wait, we are going to be here for awhile, so given the temp issue, maybe I should just try it at home first.

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And on no account use Three Kings bread for dipping as there is a risk of choking on the small plastic figure.

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Oh dear Pancakes- not another worry + the fork

Re bacteria- the key is not to put raw meat on the same plate as the one you eat from- then there is not concern at all as the meat is cooked in the pot, and so are the bacteria!
Okay, sorry. My bad. I really had no idea but was going by what my Swiss friend told me, and her husband is a doctor (and the more paranoid one between the two of them), so I thought maybe there was a bit of truth to it.

Oops. Okay, now I just did a Google search and found this:

http://www.swisstph.ch/en/news/news/...nfections.html

So apparently it is CHICKEN that may not be so safe to use in those types of fondue. And come to think of it, maybe my friend did mention the chicken. Sorry I had forgotten that bit.
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The bacteria is the best bit!

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Not trying to be the overly cautious American here, but...

A Swiss friend of mine told me recently that the meat fondues can pose a health risk because of bacteria. For that reason, I guess she never allows her kids to eat it. (I personally don't like it, so I never make it.) But of course, "to each their own."

As for the cheese ones, my three year old can't stand it (shame, since both my hubby and I love it). But the times our son has had it, we definitely had to either watch him very carefully with the fork or be sure to do the "dipping" for him -- and definitely make sure it's cooled before allowing him to take a bite.

(I grew up with a grandfather who, when he was little, witnessed a neighbor boy fall off his chair with a fork and lose an eye because of it. So that "be careful with your fork" thing has been deeply embedded in my brain).
Howard Hughes was American and spent his latter days living in an oxygen bubble, in fear of ..... well everything, outside, really - way to go.

It would have been dangerous for him to eat fondue, too.


Incidentally, I was at college with a guy with a scar on the side of his face and a glass eye - he fell awkardly on a ski stick ...... but I still go skiing.
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