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I wouldn't agree. If you e.g. compare the numbers of Restaurants in Zürich (1400) on Tripadvisor with Berlin (5800), Munich (2800), London (17000), Barcelona (6300), Milano (5000) or New York (12000) and compare it with the population of the City, the choice in Zurich doesn't look bad...

If you want another source take a look at the Guide Michelin, there is no other country in the world with such a high rate of Michelin star rated restaurants (again when compared with the overall population)...

But I guess tastes are really different, so it's hard to have a "objective" discussion about this topic...

Your comparison is flattering for Zürich, as the competitioners you mention are at least 3 times as large.
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Old 02.02.2015, 20:27
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But in spite of a slight difference of size, the Thing remains the SAME. If you in London or in Zürich simply walk into the next Restaurant around the Corner without having a Close look, there most likely will be a disappointment --- not least as Food is always subject to your personal taste. What you find excellent and enjoy a lot, is rubbish to the next. What others praise as superb is rubbish to you
I think that's the problem here.
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Is it just me finding food in Zurich mediocre at best. I would consider myself a foodie and generally love good food. Leaving prices aside (don't get me started) am I the only one finding restaurant food here really disappointing? I am perhaps spoiled by London however I was expecting way more from Zurich. I have been out countless times here, so gave the place plenty of chances but have been very rarely pleasantly surprised. Can I suggest everyones posts a top 3 in Zurich (no matter which cuisine as anything will do...)
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Widder (extremely expensive but the food was of a high standard)
Le Miracle (surprisingly good Italian)
Zeughauskeller (Out of desperation I had to go for this tourist joint as struggling to come up with a 3rd name)
This is clearly a sweeping generalisation.

So I will make another. In general I would agree, but it depends on what you are looking for. In my view there is great French and Italien as well as pan-European / modern food here - and of cause great Swiss food

But what is lacking is great authentic food from further a field, particularly from Asia.
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Re: Food in Zurich? Plain mediocre

A bit off topic...

Op, I'd imagine the restaurant selection in Zurich is surprisingly good...compared to little Luzern. But if you're down this way sometime for dinner, check out Zum Wilden Mann or Hopfenkranz
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Staying slightly of topic, going here in a few weeks

http://www.eichmuehle.ch/

Have heard great things.
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Food is always subject to your personal taste. What you find excellent and enjoy a lot, is rubbish to the next. What others praise as superb is rubbish to you
With respect, I don't think this is true. The OP was talking about the quality of the food, not his or her personal preferences, and that is something that can be judged objectively, whether it is a hamburger, piece of fish or whatever.

And I agree with the OP: I think the quality of restaurant food in German-speaking Switzerland is generally speaking very mediocre - and grossly overpriced, which makes the experience even worse. It seems to be a combination of a lack of competition and a culture that is not interested in food and does not eat out. On my very unscientific survey of Swiss-German friends, I cannot think of one that can cook properly or has any interest in doing so.
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With respect, I don't think this is true. The OP was talking about the quality of the food, not his or her personal preferences, and that is something that can be judged objectively, whether it is a hamburger, piece of fish or whatever.

And I agree with the OP: I think the quality of restaurant food in German-speaking Switzerland is generally speaking very mediocre - and grossly overpriced, which makes the experience even worse. It seems to be a combination of a lack of competition and a culture that is not interested in food and does not eat out. On my very unscientific survey of Swiss-German friends, I cannot think of one that can cook properly or has any interest in doing so.
It's just your friends. My inlaws are Lozärners and Aargauers - amazing cooks on both sides of the family*. And among my wife's friends, the food is always delicious.

Check out the two Luzern restaurants i mentioned above.

Sometime in the Spring i'll invite EFers over for wood oven pizza, if you're interested....





*they even cook fish!

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With respect, I don't think this is true. The OP was talking about the quality of the food, not his or her personal preferences, and that is something that can be judged objectively, whether it is a hamburger, piece of fish or whatever.
If there is a field in which there is no objectivity at all (besides psychiatry, economics, fine arts, and any kind of religion [running for cover....]), it sure is food.

Just one simple example: Most people in the world would say Bündnerfleisch tastes sort of rancid, but for those who like it, that's exactly what makes it special, and the producers put a huge lot of effort into the right amount of rancidity. The former will say it's wrotten stuff (read: bad quality), the latter will praise it.

We had treads here where Americans complained about Swiss bakery bread being stale even before it hits the shelves. We had to explain to them that that is called a bread crust, a typical feature of really oven-fresh bread.

In other words, food quality IS a matter of preferences.
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Re: Food in Zurich? Plain mediocre

Instead of arguing about quality, lack of competition and prices, I would be really interested to know the names of the restaurants in Zürich that are considered to be bad (or "very medicore") by the thread opener or anybody else...

It's an honest questions, as this might give us a way to compare and understand what everyone individually considers bad cuisine. Looking forward do some replies...

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With respect, I don't think this is true. The OP was talking about the quality of the food, not his or her personal preferences, and that is something that can be judged objectively, whether it is a hamburger, piece of fish or whatever.

And I agree with the OP: I think the quality of restaurant food in German-speaking Switzerland is generally speaking very mediocre - and grossly overpriced, which makes the experience even worse. It seems to be a combination of a lack of competition and a culture that is not interested in food and does not eat out. On my very unscientific survey of Swiss-German friends, I cannot think of one that can cook properly or has any interest in doing so.

NO NO NO exactly the quality cannot be judged. And there is a fierce competition and not a lack of it.


Some years ago the Restaurant association here made a study comparing Swiss Restaurants with Austrian Restaurants, and the CH places landed on top. They only forgot that guests are not interested in whether spoons and knifes are placed correctly, and what the education of the personnel is but rather whether the personnel is friend and helpful or less so.


The culture here IS heavily interested in food, and people DO eat out. Your friends obviously do NOT cook but get out for eating. Exactly the other way round


Overpriced ? Yes indeed, but many rstaurants close down due to property Prices. Many real estate owners prefer Shops who pay more and have less demands on the infrastructure
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....none of these are mediocre:
Maison Blunt
Lily's
Les Halles
Damas
Frau Gerold's Garten (depending on season...sometimes it can be so-so)
Viaduct (yummmmm....meat pies)

*source = wikipedia
I've been to Lily's and Les Halles and clearly wasn't impressed.
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In Switzerland an average meal costs the same as going to a Michelin starred restaurant in most other countries. In Zürich there are a total of 3 stars and not that many bib gourmands. So I would say that overall quality is not great, by the standards of the great and holy Michelin guide. I have eaten at a couple of those 1* restaurants and the food was good, but not memorable and incredibly expensive.

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I wouldn't agree. If you e.g. compare the numbers of Restaurants in Zürich (1400) on Tripadvisor with Berlin (5800), Munich (2800), London (17000), Barcelona (6300), Milano (5000) or New York (12000) and compare it with the population of the City, the choice in Zurich doesn't look bad...

If you want another source take a look at the Guide Michelin, there is no other country in the world with such a high rate of Michelin star rated restaurants (again when compared with the overall population)...

But I guess tastes are really different, so it's hard to have a "objective" discussion about this topic...
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I think that's the problem here.
Yeah, because Zürich really has a reputation worldwide for it's outstanding cuisine. Not.

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Is it just me finding food in Zurich mediocre at best. I would consider myself a foodie and generally love good food. Leaving prices aside (don't get me started) am I the only one finding restaurant food here really disappointing?
No, you're not the only one.

The Swiss can't have it all, honestly.
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With respect, I don't think this is true. The OP was talking about the quality of the food, not his or her personal preferences, and that is something that can be judged objectively, whether it is a hamburger, piece of fish or whatever.

And I agree with the OP: I think the quality of restaurant food in German-speaking Switzerland is generally speaking very mediocre - and grossly overpriced, which makes the experience even worse. It seems to be a combination of a lack of competition and a culture that is not interested in food and does not eat out. On my very unscientific survey of Swiss-German friends, I cannot think of one that can cook properly or has any interest in doing so.


Exactly what I have been thinking lately. There must me something wrong when everyone who has come to visit me, wonders what is going on with the food here ?
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In Switzerland an average meal costs the same as going to a Michelin starred restaurant in most other countries.
Nonsense.

I have eaten in many Michelin starred restaurants in France, Switzerland, and Italy, and all are far above the price of an average Swiss meal out, in fact several times more.

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In Switzerland an average meal costs the same as going to a Michelin starred restaurant in most other countries. In Zürich there are a total of 3 stars and not that many bib gourmands. So I would say that overall quality is not great, by the standards of the great and holy Michelin guide. I have eaten at a couple of those 1* restaurants and the food was good, but not memorable and incredibly expensive.
Where do you get your numbers from? There are way more than 3 michelin star restaurants in Zürich (according to viamichelin.ch there are 7 one star and 1 two star restaurant in the city). It's true that in the city of Zürich there are not that many Bib Gourmand (as most of the restaurants are probably more expensive, in the end bib gourmand means a 3 course menu for less than 65 CHF), but I was talking about Switzerland in the case of Michelin star rated and bib gourmand restaurants and if you compare these numbers you will realize that Switzerland is in pretty good shape.

Look, you don't have to agree with the guide Michelin, but after all these are professional testers and when it comes to quality I have no problem to trust them. In fact I was never disappointed by a suggestion of the guide Michelin, whether it was in Switzerland or in the neighboring countries. When it comes to prizes, sure Zürich is more expensive than lets say Berlin, but e.g. in Munich I payed around the same of what I would pay here. But all michelin star rated restaurants (in other countries or switzerland) were more expensive than a normal restaurant here.
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It's just your friends. My inlaws are Lozärners and Aargauers - amazing cooks on both sides of the family*. And among my wife's friends, the food is always delicious.

Check out the two Luzern restaurants i mentioned above.

Sometime in the Spring i'll invite EFers over for wood oven pizza, if you're interested....
Thank you very much - I'm always interested in pizza I probably have a very unrepresentative selection of friends...

Eating out in Luzern is a challenge - I've tried Zum Wilden Mann, but not the other one you mention.

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Just one simple example: Most people in the world would say Bündnerfleisch tastes sort of rancid, but for those who like it, that's exactly what makes it special, and the producers put a huge lot of effort into the right amount of rancidity. The former will say it's wrotten stuff (read: bad quality), the latter will praise it.

In other words, food quality IS a matter of preferences.
But you've proved my point - it's a matter of taste whether someone likes Bündnerfleisch or not; the quality of the product is not in question. It is the competence level of the preparation and cooking that I find lacking, not the quality of the raw ingredients, which is good on the whole.
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Your data is wrong. The 1400 Restaurants are located in the city of Zürich (Population of 400'000) and not the "Greater Zürich Area" as indicated by the 1.8 Mio poulation. In the canton of Zürich (1.4 Mio population) there are 2400 Restaurants (according to Tripadvisor).
Are you excluding the 'greater Zurich area' from the canton of Zurich population?
I guess you must be as otherwise your numbers don't make sense.

If I understand correctly the numbers are as follows

City of Zurich. 1400 restaurants for a population of 400 000
Greater Zurich. ???? Restaurants for a population of 1.8 million
Canton of Zurich 2400 restaurants for a population of 1.4 million.
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Are you excluding the 'greater Zurich area' from the canton of Zurich population?
I guess you must be as otherwise your numbers don't make sense.

If I understand correctly the numbers are as follows

City of Zurich. 1400 restaurants for a population of 400 000
Greater Zurich. ???? Restaurants for a population of 1.8 million
Canton of Zurich 2400 restaurants for a population of 1.4 million.
Yes, that is correct. I could not find an easy way to get the number of restaurants in the greater Zürich area (as e.g. tripadvisor). In the end the greater Zürich area is a complicated construct and includes over 200 municipalities in several cantons (but not all municipalities in the canton of Zürich belong to the greater area of Zürich).

EDIT: I'm still interested in some names of bad restaurants in Zürich, as indicated before...
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