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Nonsense.

I have eaten in many Michelin starred restaurants in France, Switzerland, and Italy, and all are far above the price of an average Swiss meal out, in fact several times more.

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Midsummer House in Cambridge, UK, nominated as the second best restaurant in the word, and with two Michelin stars, has a seven course menu for just over 80 GBP.

I've spent over 100CHF here on just a couple of mediocre courses and had to have cheese on toast when I got home as I was still really hungry.

Yes, more than the average meal out in Switzerland but then there's only so many times I can eat pommes and bratwurst or something equally dull here in the average restaurant.
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Midsummer House in Cambridge, UK, nominated as the second best restaurant in the word, and with two Michelin stars, has a seven course menu for just over 80 GBP.

I've spent over 100CHF here on just a couple of mediocre courses and had to have cheese on toast when I got home as I was still really hungry.

Yes, more than the average meal out in Switzerland but then there's only so many times I can eat pommes and bratwurst or something equally dull here in the average restaurant.


You were still hungry ? Sounds like a top-class Nouvelle Cuisine place.
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I've spent over 100CHF here on just a couple of mediocre courses and had to have cheese on toast when I got home as I was still really hungry.
When my wife and I were in Zurich after Christmas, we would typically spend CHF 40-50 for the two of us.

The only time I've spent over CHF 100/person in Switzerland has been at one of the local Michelin starred places, and even then not much over, including the wine.

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I've had a couple decent meals in Zurich. What really gets me is when one pays high prices for simple meals, like the 20+ franc basic Rösti. It's grated potatoes fried! Quite possibly the cheapest and simplest meal to prepare! There's a reason it is traditional in Switzerland: When the mountain farmers and peasants were poor, that's all they had to eat--the cheapest simplest dish!*
I really feel ripped off when I have end up with a rösti as a side dish at a pricey restaurant. I do enjoy eating it though :P






*from what I have been informed, don't have a reference for it other than old swiss man.
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Midsummer House in Cambridge, UK, nominated as the second best restaurant in the word, and with two Michelin stars, has a seven course menu for just over 80 GBP.

I've spent over 100CHF here on just a couple of mediocre courses and had to have cheese on toast when I got home as I was still really hungry.

Yes, more than the average meal out in Switzerland but then there's only so many times I can eat pommes and bratwurst or something equally dull here in the average restaurant.
Sorry, but 80 GBP (with the strong CHF around 110 CHF) is not what I usually spend in an average restaurant in Zürich. I agree, this restaurant is fairly cheap for a two star, but that's not what we were talking about...I would usually spend around 50 CHF per person at the maximum (unless we eat in a michelin starred restaurant) and this includes drinks.
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I've been to Lily's and Les Halles and clearly wasn't impressed.
This of course brings the whole conversation back to the same point...what one person finds lovely another may find as crap. I totally get that one would not be impressed with either Lily's or Les Halles. Neither restaurants are the best at what they do...but they are also places where one may not feel like they wasted their money at the end of a meal. There are places nearby that defy logic when it comes to price/value/quality comparisons.

The only thing I can suggest for certain is that if one wants a great meal in Zurich...they should take advantage of it's centralized location and just go to Strasbourg!
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Sorry, but 80 GBP (with the strong CHF around 110 CHF) is not what I usually spend in an average restaurant in Zürich. I agree, this restaurant is fairly cheap for a two star, but that's not what we were talking about...I would usually spend around 50 CHF per person at the maximum (unless we eat in a michelin starred restaurant) and this includes drinks.
Please can I have a link or two to these restaurants?

The ones you provided links for earlier have menus for 100 to 176 CHF excluding drinks. Well, Mesa does anyway.
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Old 03.02.2015, 10:51
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Sorry, but 80 GBP (with the strong CHF around 110 CHF) is not what I usually spend in an average restaurant in Zürich. I agree, this restaurant is fairly cheap for a two star, but that's not what we were talking about...I would usually spend around 50 CHF per person at the maximum (unless we eat in a michelin starred restaurant) and this includes drinks.
You are missing the point. What Tom said is that your 110 CHF get you a meal at a TWO star restaurant in the UK. The UK is not exactly the cheapest part of Europe. The only two star restaurant in Zurich I am aware of is the one in the Dolder Grand. 110 CHF will not get you very far there.

I don't eat in high end restaurants every day, but the exact same parallels are true from the most basic meals to the most expensive. Cheapest full meal in Zurich? Probably one of the terrible "Chinese" places selling you crap for 20 CHF - that's 14 GBP and get's me some very decent food in the UK.

(Did I mention that I had some awesome pork Milanese with ruccola salad and fried potatoes for lunch? Cost me 6.5 CHF here in Singapore and is only that expensive because it needs all those imported ingredients...)
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You are missing the point. What Tom said is that your 110 CHF get you a meal at a TWO star restaurant in the UK. The UK is not exactly the cheapest part of Europe. The only two star restaurant in Zurich I am aware of is the one in the Dolder Grand. 110 CHF will not get you very far there.

I don't eat in high end restaurants every day, but the exact same parallels are true from the most basic meals to the most expensive. Cheapest full meal in Zurich? Probably one of the terrible "Chinese" places selling you crap for 20 CHF - that's 14 GBP and get's me some very decent food in the UK.
I ought to add that I realise that Zurich prices are going to be a lot more than equivalents in the U.K. for comparable meals because of higher costs of staff, produce and all the other overheads but even taking that into account, the meals are still dull, the portions are tiny and the whole experience is underwhelming.
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Re: Food in Zurich? Plain mediocre

Switzerland has many qualities but to enjoy a nice meal on weekends you are better off to cross the border. Here in Geneva everyone knows that. There are a few decent places in Geneva but these are mostly geared at people with expense accounts. Calvinism and food culture do not seem to mix together very well:-)
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Old 03.02.2015, 11:15
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Here in Geneva everyone knows that.
I think that's one of the differences to Zurich. A real Swiss-German is convinced that the Swiss restaurant has to be better than anything anywhere else because it's Swiss.

Having spend many Saturday mornings in Asian stores to get all the produce a supermarket in the UK and elsewhere would stock but Migros doesn't... did I have the chance to witness more than one guy buying cheap frozen Asian meat in bulk... the stuff I'd not even feed a dog with (and which is the base for the 20 CHF meals at all "cheap" Asian options in Zurich). Problem is that those moustached men were quite apparently sourcing for their restaurants but quite apparently not Chinese... So just because you spend 35 CHF for your Cordon Bleu does not at all mean you are getting anything Swiss.
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Please can I have a link or two to these restaurants?

The ones you provided links for earlier have menus for 100 to 176 CHF excluding drinks. Well, Mesa does anyway.
The first three I mentioned are as well not the average restaurant, in fact they are all rated with one michelin star. I mentioned some other restaurants (tiffins, scala, bar basso, linde oberstrass, tibits, samses, tschingg) these are the average restaurants I was talking about and I usually would enjoy for a normal dinner. I'm not eating a several course menu every time I eat in a restaurant My point was that 110 CHF is way above what I would pay in an average restaurant and that is what we were talking about...

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You are missing the point. What Tom said is that your 110 CHF get you a meal at a TWO star restaurant in the UK. The UK is not exactly the cheapest part of Europe. The only two star restaurant in Zurich I am aware of is the one in the Dolder Grand. 110 CHF will not get you very far there.

I don't eat in high end restaurants every day, but the exact same parallels are true from the most basic meals to the most expensive. Cheapest full meal in Zurich? Probably one of the terrible "Chinese" places selling you crap for 20 CHF - that's 14 GBP and get's me some very decent food in the UK.

(Did I mention that I had some awesome pork Milanese with ruccola salad and fried potatoes for lunch? Cost me 6.5 CHF here in Singapore and is only that expensive because it needs all those imported ingredients...)
Sorry, with all respect, we were talking about the price of an average Swiss/Zürich restaurant in comparison with a Michelin star rated restaurant in most other countries. Yes, 80 GBP is cheap, but it's certainly not the average price in a two star restaurant (even most one star restaurants I've been to were more expensive). Maybe the UK is different in this regard...

EDIT: Yes, the dolder restaurant is expensive. Are we surprised? Not really. It's the restaurant of the most prestige and expensive hotel in Zürich, which by itself is one of the most expensive cities in the world.
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I think that proportial to its population, Zurich does have a fair number of restaurants. And, compared with other cities, you'll rarely have an outright horrible meal.

The problem is that, eating out here is expensive and, in large part, there isn't much variation in styles of food. Even within a given style, there is little variation between various restaurants' offerings; menus tend to be very same-y. There are a number of reasons for this, but that's the way it is.

There is also very little culinary innovation in ZH. Zurich tends to get other cities' hand-me-down food trends and ideas 5-10 years later.

That said, there are some great places in Zurich as well. You just need to have to be prepared to search out the ones doing something different, something really good and/or be prepared to drop a lot money for a great meal.
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I think that's one of the differences to Zurich. A real Swiss-German is convinced that the Swiss restaurant has to be better than anything anywhere else because it's Swiss.

Having spend many Saturday mornings in Asian stores to get all the produce a supermarket in the UK and elsewhere would stock but Migros doesn't... did I have the chance to witness more than one guy buying cheap frozen Asian meat in bulk... the stuff I'd not even feed a dog with (and which is the base for the 20 CHF meals at all "cheap" Asian options in Zurich). Problem is that those moustached men were quite apparently sourcing for their restaurants but quite apparently not Chinese... So just because you spend 35 CHF for your Cordon Bleu does not at all mean you are getting anything Swiss.
You make me worry. Are restaurants not obliged to disclose the origin of their meat?
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Midsummer House in Cambridge, UK, nominated as the second best restaurant in the word, and with two Michelin stars, has a seven course menu for just over 80 GBP.
Shouldn't such a top-notch restaurant rated 3* by Michelin? People here claim quality can be measured objectively so at that level certainly Michelin shouldn't differ (effectively, disagree) by that much, no?
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T I mentioned some other restaurants (tiffins, scala, bar basso, linde oberstrass, tibits, samses, tschingg) these are the average restaurants I was talking about and I usually would enjoy for a normal dinner.
Thanks for the list but any fool can find restaurants serving Pizza or Wurst or spaghetti carbonara (or indeed 'Chicken curry with fresh fruits)'. WTF.

Apart from Pizza, most of those things are what we'd prepare on a week night when we couldn't think what else to cook or were really rushed for time.

As the OP said - eating out here is mediocre - and you confirmed it.
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(Did I mention that I had some awesome pork Milanese with ruccola salad and fried potatoes for lunch? Cost me 6.5 CHF here in Singapore and is only that expensive because it needs all those imported ingredients...)
We also don't have these in Switzerland

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Shouldn't such a top-notch restaurant rated 3* by Michelin? People here claim quality can be measured objectively so at that level certainly Michelin shouldn't differ (effectively, disagree) by that much, no?
This was voted by restaurant visitors. El Celler de Can Roca in Spain came first in the same awards. This came second in Michelin's list.

So yes, not the Michelin lst, but not entirely invalid I'm sure you'd agree.
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We also don't have these in Switzerland

We don't have these in Singapore either - that's Hong Kong. In Singapore do 82% of the nationals live in their own property thanks to the Wikipedia reference-linkHousing_and_Development_Board- how high is the percentage in CH?
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Thanks for the list but any fool can find restaurants serving Pizza or Wurst or spaghetti carbonara (or indeed 'Chicken curry with fresh fruits)'. WTF.

Apart from Pizza, most of those things are what we'd prepare on a week night when we couldn't think what else to cook or were really rushed for time.

As the OP said - eating out here is mediocre - and you confirmed it.
Have you actually been to any of the restaurants I suggested?
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