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Old 15.06.2015, 12:54
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

I bought my mother a Q2200 in the US last year. It's perfect for her and big enough when we're in for the summer. As the little worktables flip up over the grill, the footprint with the cart is quite small and it is also portable with or without the cart. It had been switched over to a full-size tank by the original owner and works well. The cast iron grates retain heat well and recover enough to sear both sides of whichever meat we cook. That said, I just picked up a used Weber kettle grill with the built in workstation and igniter...they guy at Selzam in Winterthur insists that I cannot us a larger tank due to the higher pressure under the small canister. Weber themselves has not returned our email about this.


When we first moved here, I picked the OutdoorChef gas kettle grill and did like how if worked and the option to have direct or indirect heat by flipping the inner kettle, however, after 3yrs, the rivet points were beginning to rust. It was always covered after cooling off, so if it will be outside, I would expect you'll get about 5yrs before it may need replacing. If you have one the enclosed winter-garden like patios, I expect it would fair better.


Either way, the key to a great sear is/are cast-iron grate(s).
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

I have a Q200 with a 5 kg gas tank that we have been using a couple if times per week for over a year. We brought it with us from the uk and had to get a replacement regulator to fit the swiss gas tanks, coop bau and hobby were useless but I then went to jumbo who have a great range of spares so perhaps you could see if they can help with any of your queries. I can't recommend it enough, we have been using it for 5 years and it still looks like new and my mother has one that must have been going for 15 years!
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Old 15.06.2015, 17:43
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That said, I just picked up a used Weber kettle grill with the built in workstation and igniter...they guy at Selzam in Winterthur insists that I cannot us a larger tank due to the higher pressure under the small canister. Weber themselves has not returned our email about this.
My experience with Swiss shops giving correct technical information has not been that fantastic so far, so I would also like to find out if it is possible to use a bigger bottle. Safety first, ey!

It would be great if you could share whatever information you glean from Weber - would be useful to quite a few folks (including me ).
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

Another vote for the Weber Q series. (I have the 320, the essentially identical predecessor to the current 3200.)

The Q's are designed so that fat drips past the burners, not onto them, so even fatty stuff doesn't catch fire. And they actually use less gas per hour than other grills that don't work as well...

The small (1000 series) and medium (2000 series) Q's come in both gas and electric, and apparently both work really well. As far as I know, the conversion kit for the proper gas cylinders should work on the current models, too. (Several online shops expressly say that it does.)

http://www.weberstephen.ch/Produktwe...asflasche.aspx

Avoid CampingGaz like the plague. They're built very cheaply and won't last. I had one and after a single year, it was already starting to rust... (Kept in a dry place, well underneath shelter.)

The Weber Q's are made of aluminum, plastic, and stainless steel, with enameled cast iron cooking grates.


Switzerland apparently uses different gas connectors or something, so gas appliances from abroad have to be retrofitted to be used here.

Edit: P.S. Many shops still have the old Q100/200/300 series in stock. And they're a LOT cheaper than the current Q1000/2000/3000 series. And you know what's different? They changed the logo on the lid, added some holes to the decorative fascia, and added a few hooks for your tongs. That's it. (On the smaller models, they also changed from a single grating to two halves like the large models.) I got my Q320 last year for under 500 francs delivered, compared to 750 for the Q3200.
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Old 02.07.2015, 11:05
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

After much umming and aahing, we went for a Weber. We were initially very keen on getting something small (the Q series), but the folks we spoke to did not convince us that we could use a bottle instead of those tiny canisters. I get the impression all the PC world staff have been seconded to Bau and Hobby!

So in the end, we went for a Spirit. A huge machine, compared to the Q one we were after, but I think we'll be grateful for the extra grilling space, once we start grilling.

Thanks everyone for your tips and suggestions.
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Old 02.07.2015, 11:54
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My experience with Swiss shops giving correct technical information has not been that fantastic so far, so I would also like to find out if it is possible to use a bigger bottle. Safety first, ey!

It would be great if you could share whatever information you glean from Weber - would be useful to quite a few folks (including me ).
Bit late now you've bought, but anyway - almost certainly not, the ones that run off a little canister have the regulator built in to the main unit.

Even if you could find a connector to screw on the pipe from a big bottle, you'd have two regulators in a line and it wouldn't give enough (or any) pressure output.

And you can't take a pipe from the bottle without the regulator, the pressure would be way too high for the pipe.
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Old 02.07.2015, 12:02
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Bit late now you've bought, but anyway - almost certainly not, the ones that run off a little canister have the regulator built in to the main unit.

Even if you could find a connector to screw on the pipe from a big bottle, you'd have two regulators in a line and it wouldn't give enough (or any) pressure output.

And you can't take a pipe from the bottle without the regulator, the pressure would be way too high for the pipe.
I am not sure I understood you - do you mean that if you have the one with the small canisters, then you CANNOT convert to the bottle? At least not without a bit of tinkering with the whole thing.
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Old 02.07.2015, 12:37
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I am not sure I understood you - do you mean that if you have the one with the small canisters, then you CANNOT convert to the bottle? At least not without a bit of tinkering with the whole thing.
Exactly - the pressure of gas in the bottle or canister is too high for direct use, so you have a regulator to reduce it to about 35mbar.

In the case of the bottle the regulator is attached directly to the bottle output, so that the pressure in the rubber pipe isn't too high.

On the cannister ones, the regulator is built in to the unit.

So if you tried to connect a bottle to a cannister device, you'd have two regulators and the pressure would end up too low for it to work.
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Old 02.07.2015, 12:44
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I am not sure I understood you - do you mean that if you have the one with the small canisters, then you CANNOT convert to the bottle? At least not without a bit of tinkering with the whole thing.
He's talking rubbish. The gas regulator is built into the end of the hose and not the BBQ. If you were to use a canister rather than a bottle, you would need a different regulator/hose set.

Good thread though. After our Camping Gaz BBQ went up in flames again last night which required a fire blanket to put out and I was left with lots of burnt piri-piri chicken and three unhappy and hungry kids*, I ordered last year's model Q-220.
This comes with the regulator for the normal Swiss 11Kg gas bottles.
Anyway, thanks to Tooki's post and JSherk's thumbs-up, I ordered one for 299 CHF including the stand with wheels and delivery charges!

* You need to clean out the bottom of the tray very frequently which is an incredibly messy job to prevent flare up which happens when you open the lid with something on the warming rack - the fat drips onto the horizontal burners and ignites also igniting any liquid in the bottom of the tray.
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Old 02.07.2015, 12:53
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He's talking rubbish. The gas regulator is built into the end of the hose and not the BBQ. If you were to use a canister rather than a bottle, you would need a different regulator/hose set.
Um, no.

The cannister ones don't have a hose - the cannister screws directly onto the unit (in all the cases I've seen).

The regulator is built into the unit, hence no way to simply use a different one.

Maybe there are units out there that use a canister with a hose and replaceable regulator - but I've never seen one, or seen a canister regulator for sale.

Edit: reading back through Tom1234 posts - you can use a canister with a cylinder BBQ (I was wrong, you can buy regulators for some); but you can't do it the other was round for canister units (unless they have a hose, but then they're just a general purpose unit not a canister specific one).
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Old 02.07.2015, 13:00
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Um, no.

The cannister ones don't have a hose - the cannister screws directly onto the unit (in all the cases I've seen).

The regulator is built into the unit, hence no way to simply use a different one.

Maybe there are units out there that use a canister with a hose and replaceable regulator - but I've never seen one, or seen a canister regulator for sale.
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Sigh...
I edited my original post as well - we're talking at cross purposes rather than either being wrong.

I wouldn't say that's a canister unit - it can be used with any supply that supports a hose.

The grills that are specifically designed for a canister, where the canister screws onto it (and may be permanently pierced), can't use a cylinder.
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Old 02.07.2015, 13:08
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I edited my original post as well - we're talking at cross purposes rather than either being wrong.

I wouldn't say that's a canister unit - it can be used with any supply that supports a hose.

The grills that are specifically designed for a canister, where the canister screws onto it (and may be permanently pierced), can't use a cylinder.
The OP was asking about a specific BBQ grill. I was helping her with that request.

But, while we're on the subject, I've also got a portable camping BBQ that runs on gas cylinders (for places where you are not allowed real fires).
That also has a hose with a regulator on the end.
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Old 02.07.2015, 13:12
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

Well, even though the OP is done with the purchase: I second the good posts on Outdoorchef. Best BBQ I ever owned and will get myself one again as soon as I am back in Europe. Thanks to the high heat output also great for baking pizza.
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...I ordered last year's model Q-220.
This comes with the regulator for the normal Swiss 11Kg gas bottles.
Anyway, thanks to Tooki's post and JSherk's thumbs-up, I ordered one for 299 CHF including the stand with wheels and delivery charges!
...
Oh I better make sure OH does not read your post! You got yourself a really nice deal

NewtoSwitz, we bought a Weber Spirit grill, so the whole discussion on bottle/ canister is no longer relevant to us. But of course, others who are pondering on whether to go for a compact grill vs a big hunky thing, will find some useful info here.
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After much umming and aahing, we went for a Weber. We were initially very keen on getting something small (the Q series), but the folks we spoke to did not convince us that we could use a bottle instead of those tiny canisters. I get the impression all the PC world staff have been seconded to Bau and Hobby!

So in the end, we went for a Spirit. A huge machine, compared to the Q one we were after, but I think we'll be grateful for the extra grilling space, once we start grilling.

Thanks everyone for your tips and suggestions.
After a lot of research in 2013 and 2014, we finally got a Spirit 210 last Summer. I really wanted a 310, but the side tables did not fold down and it is bigger (three rather than two burners) - perhaps too big for a small balcony - so I was not allowed.

So far we have been happy with the Spirit 210 (which although being seemingly costly for its size is highly rated/highly recommended just about everywhere on the interwebs). I did splurge out for some high-tech and much praised aluminium grillgrates though.
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

We bought a model equivalent to the Weber Q2200 in 2013. Very happy about it, although now I would buy the 3200 which has two burners instead of one and isnt't much bigger. It is fixed to a stand (not tabletop) and used with a regular size gas tank and a hose.

We're actually very happy. I've made lots of sutff on it from pulled pork to pizzas, it's not huge but it gets the job done. For the three of us it's petfectly adequate, and when I have guests I plan for meals that can be cooked in batches.

Keep away from Camping Gaz, they are extremely tedious to clean and don't last. I don't know Outdoor Chef, the reason we went for Weber is that we can being it back with us if we leave Switzerland.
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

After a CampingGaz one had a rusted-out burner after 2 years of use I would only go with stainless steel burners. Had my Weber Genesis for 8+ years now and never had a problem with it.
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Re: Gas Grill - which one?

When we moved to ZH from Basel we went from having a 30sqm top fllor balcony to a quite small, not-top-floor balcony we had to dispense with our charcoal BBQ.

I got one of these:
http://www.outdoorchef.com/en/main/b.../#.VZYqAdoaySM

Works very well - had it since 2010.

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check out gonser.ch they often have some
pretty good deals
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