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Old 18.06.2015, 17:41
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Re: Some Italian olive oil actually comes from other countries

And now I appreciate my mother's insistence on taking with me sufficient quantities of olive oil from our extended family's trees. And now you can have some too (sameless plug of my ever entrepreneurial cousin's side-business )
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Old 18.06.2015, 17:43
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I'm not sure why the single word Emmental was not protected?
In which canton is it? Too slow as usual!

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Re: Some Italian olive oil actually comes from other countries

I remember reading a few years ago that the most expensive and most advertised olive oil brand was actually the one most mixed with different olive oils from different EU regions. As long as there is olive oil in it, it s good! If you are really picky then should ask Jamie whether he has some good contacts in the South of Italy, that might do to get real and pure extra virgin olive oil from a local producer . Commercial olive oil are all the same.
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Old 18.06.2015, 18:51
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Re: Some Italian olive oil actually comes from other countries

The can in front of me says:

"Olio estratto in Italia da olive coltivate in Italia"

"Oil extracted in Italy from olives cultivated in Italy"

I'm about to crack open the third 5l can of the year!

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Tests have shown much of the olive oil sold as extra virgin isn't actually EV anyway, regardless of claimed origin. So I wouldn't fret over Greek/Italian/Spanish. I'd just find one you like that works for your needs and budget and go with it.

'Touche' . But you can be sure , they can not fool the spanish /italian / greek housewifes.

So we have to be sure about the quality then: Best options I see in Switzerland:

- ' Ybarra' 2 L 8.95chf. True Virgen Extra, (Denner), It is a cheap option for cooking all kinds of food.

- 'Fuente piedra' : 0.5L around 22chf. (Coop Dietikon). This O.O. is fantastic but do not use it for cooking. Just for salad, toast, etc.. it is better to eat it raw.

We can write a master about olive oil.
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Old 18.06.2015, 19:29
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And now I appreciate my mother's insistence on taking with me sufficient quantities of olive oil from our extended family's trees. And now you can have some too (sameless plug of my ever entrepreneurial cousin's side-business )
If the oil is as good as the webpage, I wouldn't mind some
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Old 18.06.2015, 19:50
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Re: Some Italian olive oil actually comes from other countries

I just read the label of my MigrosBIO Italienisches Olivenöl, which, silly me, I never doubted it was from Italian olives.
Zutaten: Olivenöl*
*Aus ausländischer Bio-Produktion.

Provenance: Italie
Emballé en Suisse.

So, I'm using a "Bio" oil (started to reeealy doubt that bit) that comes from Italy, made from olives from "abroad" (not a mention of EU or....anything...pretty evasive on this one, and I thought, so unlikely Swiss?ergh, no), packed in CH.
O tempora, o mores!....

I'll try the Greek one next time.
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Old 18.06.2015, 20:45
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Re: Some Italian olive oil actually comes from other countries

I have only once gathered olives. Though have been to an Olive Oil factory on number of occasions where they were cold pressed. The Priest was there the first day doing his thing.

I still wonder why labels have Virgin or Extra Virgin. The olives are only pressed once. I have never seen Extra Virgin Wine!

Just am aware that olive oil is often mixed with some other oil, though no idea what, as can tell by taste, & it is not mentioned on the contents.

After the olives are cold pressed, the seeds pips, skins & juice remain over. The factory owner usually sells the pips on in bulk. They are often used for fire fuel. There is some problem with recycling the juice.
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Re: Some Italian olive oil actually comes from other countries

The same goes for tomato purée. It is shipped from China to Italy in tanks and then put into pretty little tins with Italian design. Italy can`t produce enough tomatoes to provide the world. That is why some firms write on the tins made from Italian tomatoes in Italy. Mutti do a good one but does it make a difference if it really comes from anywhere?

Check out livestock as well. The land of slaughter determines if it is a German goose or a French chicken. They spend the most of their lives in the land where it is cheapest to produce them and then shipped to where it is most profitable to sell them.
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Old 19.06.2015, 00:21
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Just am aware that olive oil is often mixed with some other oi
Bullshit.

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Old 19.06.2015, 01:28
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Emmental is like the word cheddar - there are abominations of the cheese available in a lurid orange colour from the U.S. and other places.

The phrase "Emmental Switzerland" is protected and cannot be used for cheeses produced outside Switzerland.

I'm not sure why the single word Emmental was not protected?
Because people in various countries started making Emmental clones decades ago, long before the makers of the original awoke to the value of the brand. Once the usage of a word is well established you can't backpedal and protect it.

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Ok stit2lemans, how about this article http://www.oliveoiltimes.com/olive-o...rld-best/39515...
Disclaimer: I'm italian hence partial to italian oil.

Richdog, the page you linked just content the opinions of Greek producers commenting a number of awards in the completion. Fair enough.
But, just a couple of clicks away on the same site there are the statistics for all awards in 2014 and 2015 (eery year more than 200 awards).
Spain is twice first as number of *medals* - best in class, gold, silver and twice Italy is second. But Italy has for both years the higher number of *best in class*.
And, this in years where production in Italy struggled for the effect of the olive tree fly...

By the way, I source my olive oil directly from a friend from Perugia. First because he's friend, second because I like his oil, third because I know it's 100 from his land. Unfortunately, no oil last year
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Disclaimer: I'm italian hence partial to italian oil.

Richdog, the page you linked just content the opinions of Greek producers commenting a number of awards in the completion. Fair enough.
But, just a couple of clicks away on the same site there are the statistics for all awards in 2014 and 2015 (eery year more than 200 awards).
Spain is twice first as number of *medals* - best in class, gold, silver and twice Italy is second. But Italy has for both years the higher number of *best in class*.
And, this in years where production in Italy struggled for the effect of the olive tree fly...

By the way, I source my olive oil directly from a friend from Perugia. First because he's friend, second because I like his oil, third because I know it's 100 from his land. Unfortunately, no oil last year
Are these awards about the country of origin of the olives or the country where the oil is produced?
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Richdog, the page you linked just content the opinions of Greek producers commenting a number of awards in the completion. Fair enough.
But, just a couple of clicks away on the same site there are the statistics for all awards in 2014 and 2015 (eery year more than 200 awards).
Spain is twice first as number of *medals* - best in class, gold, silver and twice Italy is second. But Italy has for both years the higher number of *best in class*.
And, this in years where production in Italy struggled for the effect of the olive tree fly...
Don't worry, Richdog is as apt as a cow to get his info right.
Btw, don't you have some links to Daily Fail based studies? This is the only format he's able to read and digest.
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Don't worry, Richdog is as apt as a cow to get his info right.
Btw, don't you have some links to Daily Fail based studies? This is the only format he's able to read and digest.
Apologies for not posting anything involving Romanians that you can then start ranting at in the most cringe-worthy fashion known to mankind, I do realise how that could disappoint you.

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Because people in various countries started making Emmental clones decades ago, long before the makers of the original awoke to the value of the brand. Once the usage of a word is well established you can't backpedal and protect it.
If they stopped making Emmental, what would they do with all the old PET bottles?
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I was in Greece by an Olive Oil factory, where these huge containers were filling up to drive to Italy.

We use different grades of Olive oil depending whether for salad or chips.

I would like to know that they use to thin down the olive oil, whether it says Extra Virgin or not, one knows it is not 100% olive oil.
I personally know a small scale industrial producer.
The base is olein which is chemically extracted from olives grown in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia. This get blended with "real" italian regional and/or other EU oils (e.g. Spain, Greece), according to the kind of finished product (i.e. final retail shelf price).
And this is not a fraud - there are EU laws that define the parameters and ratios of the various blends, amounts of permitted toxins (e.g. pesticides), and so on.
I'm lucky enough to have the in-laws that produce oil from their own grove, and that we don't consume huge amounts since yields have dropped considerably (weather, plant pathogens) so our stash lasts a full year...

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Bullshit.

Tom
I find your remark offensive.

more is written in these articles on the matter

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...oil-real-thing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fo...ble-truth.html

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Can someone then please recommend a good and well-priced olive oil for cooking and salads etc that is 100% Italian? Available in Switzerland, of course...
Carapelli Oro Verde is 100% Italian and I like it. The link is to the variant for the Italian market but I have seen the (supposedly) same oil with a slightly different label in Switzerland. (Probably at Coop, but I'm not sure...)

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But it doesn't claim to, either.
The oil we're discussing here doesn't either. It's just consumers' perception that it must be Italian when the brand and the labelling is Italian...
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I find your remark offensive.
Tough. It's still correct.


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