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Interesting thread. Anyone know where I can buy brown sugar in Switzerland??
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Interesting thread. Anyone know where I can buy brown sugar in Switzerland??


You mean refined sugar to which they add colouring to make it brown?
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Old 15.09.2015, 14:53
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Re: Kicking out refined sugar from your diet

I eliminated yellow snow from my diet and try to avoid brown sugar for that same reason
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Going by the replies and the "tone" on this forum in general I'm obviously risking - but we are all victims of life and what we choose to believe...although the blood will tell a different story...

Sugar is an acid waste product of metabolism and/or fermentation. In other words it is a waste product much like the exhaust of a car or smoke from a chimney. Sugar is the evidence of cellular degeneration. Sugar is what happens when any fruit, like a banana gets sweeter and sweeter as it is rotting or aging. When sugar goes up in a diabetic that is the sure sign that cells are breaking down. When sugars increase in a breast or prostate that is a sure sign of a pending cancerous condition. Any sugar no matter how little is unhealthy to the blood, tissues and organs although impossible to avoid since sugar is the major waste product or metabolism. Just as exhaust is the evidence that a car is running so sugar is the evidence that the body is alive and functioning. In a perfect body with perfect elimination blood sugars would be normally low or less than 40mg/dl not the abnormal levels pronounced by current medical savants of 80mg/dl.

Oh yes - meat and milk are just another acid to avoid...but I'm only learning myself...nobody ever told me...I was brought up on a terrible amount of acid and that was normal I thought Now I know that aging is a rotting process caused by acid - we can't avoid but we can learn or carry on as if...
You are definitively 100 % wrong, for your information. Alcohols are the principle product of sugar fermentation. Simple sugars, like glucose, fructose, and maltose, are simple molecules and if they oxidize they are structurally broken, they can't be degenerated like proteins can.

Fruit is full of sugar because we bred it to be like that. Ever eaten a crab apple? Humans evolved to have a sweet tooth, and convert fructose to fat, probably because it helped us survive winter months when fruit wasn't ripe from the vine/tree.

I'm first in line to defend the demonization of saturated fat, which is the preferred substrate for the mitochondria in your cells and the only fuel your heart can burn. But the contrarian view that all sugars are evil is just as silly, because like your heart needs saturated fat, the brain needs glucose. The liver is the unacknowledged hero in-between them that makes sure each gets what it needs from the junk that we stuff into our mouths.
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You are definitively 100 % wrong, for your information. Alcohols are the principle product of sugar fermentation. Simple sugars, like glucose, fructose, and maltose, are simple molecules and if they oxidize they are structurally broken, they can't be degenerated like proteins can.

Fruit is full of sugar because we bred it to be like that. Ever eaten a crab apple? Humans evolved to have a sweet tooth, and convert fructose to fat, probably because it helped us survive winter months when fruit wasn't ripe from the vine/tree.

I'm first in line to defend the demonization of saturated fat, which is the preferred substrate for the mitochondria in your cells and the only fuel your heart can burn. But the contrarian view that all sugars are evil is just as silly, because like your heart needs saturated fat, the brain needs glucose. The liver is the unacknowledged hero in-between them that makes sure each gets what it needs from the junk that we stuff into our mouths.
I'm sending your "corrections" to the guy, who has been looking at blood for over 30 years to see if he is as silly to reply...he knows what he is talking about - many people have observed the same and they have ALL improved health threw "corrections" not many people can manage because of lifestyle and diet.
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I'm sending your "corrections" to the guy, who has been looking at blood for over 30 years
I know a bloke called Dave who has been looking at blood for nearly 40 years.

He works in a slaughterhouse. What does your mate do?
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Re: Kicking out refined sugar from your diet

You need wholemeal sugar to be healthy. It's like the difference between Hovis and a homemade stoneground wholemeal loaf.

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You mean refined sugar to which they add colouring to make it brown?
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Great job Carlos.

How do you substitute bread and pasta? Any real alternative?

Can you confirm if it is really easier to fell asleep, be fresh in the morning?

Thanks
A good substitute for spaghetti are zucchini, cut into thin stripes with a potato peeler. As in bread, there are a few protein breads on the market, coop has packaged "Proteinbrot", Migros has fresh protein bread (blue paper wrap) and Aldi Germany has some, too, I think they call it "Eiweissbrot" .

These breads still contain sugar but in a very low dosage, and the carbs per slice are around 3 grams compared to 30 and more in normal bread.
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Re: Kicking out refined sugar from your diet

Guys, if you go "Oh my normal diet has less sugar than your sugar-free diet" -- well done!
I think that the point here is about personal improvement, which is not a one-stop journey. Some of us have bad habits. I walk into a kiosk and, if giving in to my impulses, buy half a kg of chocolate, croissants, soft drinks, etc. And gobble it all up in 10min on the daily commute to work.
Checking for added sugar is, for me at least, an easy way to stop those impulses, and eat less crap.
And I figure that anything which gives me cravings like this is bad for me.
I never had cravings for fruits, vegetables, meat...
I did experience cravings for coke (not the white kind, mind ), chocolate, cookies...

So, good luck, OP!
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Old 16.09.2015, 11:58
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Guys, if you go "Oh my normal diet has less sugar than your sugar-free diet" -- well done!
Fair enough. But why does it have to be all or nothing?

Why go sugar-free? Why not just cut it down a bit (or a lot)?

It's just that food is such a wonderful part of life and deny yourself something for eternity is surely a recipe for fail.
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Fair enough. But why does it have to be all or nothing?

Why go sugar-free? Why not just cut it down a bit (or a lot)?

Because human nature can handle prohibition much better than moderation.


Nothing new or unusual about that.
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Fair enough. But why does it have to be all or nothing?

Why go sugar-free? Why not just cut it down a bit (or a lot)?

It's just that food is such a wonderful part of life and deny yourself something for eternity is surely a recipe for fail.
For a second there I thought you were talking about smoking
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For a second there I thought you were talking about smoking
We need to eat otherwise we die.

We don't need to smoke (well you might )
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Wrong. Disseminating false and possibly dangerous information deserves all the ridicule it can get.

That is why I like to get my facts from You tube...


NSFW cooking show explains the plus and minus here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UZJRR8OHhY
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We need to eat otherwise we die.

We don't need to smoke (well you might )
Eat - yes. Sugar, not so much, in my opinion.
And yes, what others said I have yet to see a smoker who said, oh, I'll just smoke a cigarette a month, and managed to keep it down to one.
Some people might not feel the need for sugar. Some of us do, and once we become aware of it, it's awful, a real fight against lifelong habits.
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Eat - yes. Sugar, not so much, in my opinion.
And yes, what others said I have yet to see a smoker who said, oh, I'll just smoke a cigarette a month, and managed to keep it down to one.
That's ACE1 on this forum. He's like that.

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Some of us do, and once we become aware of it, it's awful, a real fight against lifelong habits.
I couldn't agree more. It applies to good habits too though.
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I'm sending your "corrections" to the guy, who has been looking at blood for over 30 years to see if he is as silly to reply...he knows what he is talking about - many people have observed the same and they have ALL improved health threw "corrections" not many people can manage because of lifestyle and diet.

"You can't debate with people who are educated beyond their intelligence. Ignorance is the number one disease in the world today people who cannot learn and then unlearn and relearn are ignorant."

I cherish above given guidance; everybody is doing ...my father (80 years) does bowel cancer - my mother (75 years) cooks for him and is coping with symptoms doctors treat (cut, poison and burn)...

by the way - our blood is only as healthy as our bowels...but blood represents...https://youtu.be/iRLOvlEJjiE
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"You can't debate with people who are educated beyond their intelligence."
Nice comeback.

Still, at least they have an education, which enables them to be aware of little things like basic chemistry and physics, which seem to be beyond the grasp of your guru.
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"You can't debate with people who are educated beyond their intelligence. Ignorance is the number one disease in the world today people who cannot learn and then unlearn and relearn are ignorant."

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Sugar is an acid waste product of metabolism and/or fermentation.
I think you're mixing up sugar with vinegar
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