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Old 22.03.2016, 18:34
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Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

It's my mum's birthday this week, and I offered to cook dinner. She had a think about it, and she's asked me to make aubergine parmagiana, and said she'd always wanted to try sourdough bread and did I fancy having a go?

So I went onto the BBC food website and found a Paul Hollywood recipe for sourdough bread, and for a sourdough starter (with grapes. This seems very weird).

However I'm a little concerned about time.

I was only asked to do this last night. So I've got the starter started today. the recipe says it needs to rise 'for three days'. That takes me until Friday. But does that mean 3 days as in 'roughly three days' or does it mean 3 days as in '72 hours'?

I'm uncertain as the next step of the recipe is to discard half the mixture and 'feed' the rest, after which I have to leave it for 'at least 24 hours'. So here we have a very precise instruction, as opposed to the general 'three days'.

Bearing in mind that the minimum proving time for the bread is 9 hours, and that it takes 50 minutes to bake, if I want this bread to be ready for dinner at 7 pm on Saturday, the starter needs to be ready by around 8:30 on Saturday morning, which means I need to do the discard-and-feed process by 8:30 am on Friday.

I started the starter at 4:30 pm today. Do I have enough time, or should I play it safe and aim to make the bread on Sunday instead? (We won't be able to have it with my mum's birthday dinner, but we can still eat it...)
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Old 22.03.2016, 18:37
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

You can buy the sour dough ready to bake? Have to admit that I use that when I am in a hurry and forgot to make it myself
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Old 22.03.2016, 18:44
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You can buy the sour dough ready to bake? Have to admit that I use that when I am in a hurry and forgot to make it myself
I didn't know that... Can you find it in Migros or Coop?
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Old 22.03.2016, 18:51
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I didn't know that... Can you find it in Migros or Coop?
I found this... don't know if it's of any help though

Perhaps this document (French) is of some help as well?
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Old 22.03.2016, 18:52
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

Ive had good success with a sourdough starter using pineapple juice and spring water, 50/50.

The acidity is needed to prevent the growth of bacteria that you don't want, until the yeast have had a chance to fully colonize the substrate (flour).

Also best to use fresh ground flour if you can - more nutrients for the yeast. And IIRC, rye flour is a bit easier to get going.

You might be better off going with the store-bought stuff for now, instead of risking it. A strong starter takes a while to get established/stable.
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

Honestly if you just do a slow-rise (24 hours) with an organic yeast it will probably still be comparatively sour.

You can re-rise dough multiple times to let the yeast continue to work without getting the crumb too airy. Just re-kneed the dough every 24 hours or so.
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Old 22.03.2016, 19:27
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Honestly if you just do a slow-rise (24 hours) with an organic yeast it will probably still be comparatively sour.

You can re-rise dough multiple times to let the yeast continue to work without getting the crumb too airy. Just re-kneed the dough every 24 hours or so.
Is this kind of re-rise done in the fridge or at room temperature? Some recipes (not for sourdough bread however) use the fridge to slow/halt rising...
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Old 22.03.2016, 20:01
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Is this kind of re-rise done in the fridge or at room temperature? Some recipes (not for sourdough bread however) use the fridge to slow/halt rising...
That seems strange to me, yeast prefers 38 ^C. No with the re-rise you just squeeze out the CO2 bubbles and let it rise back again. You can google the technique.
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

I baked sourdough bread many times but i believe we have different definition of sourdough bread... So for me the starter means that you mix rye flour with water and you "feed it" every day for 6-7 days. I believe that 3 days is really not enough for the real starter. And grapes? no, it has to be something completely different
This is the starter that i have in mind
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Old 16.04.2016, 17:35
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

I've been reading about sourdough starter online, and yes, some people use grapes, or pineapple juice.

Here's a pineapple juice example
http://breadtopia.com/make-your-own-sourdough-starter/

I've also read about a technique where apple peels are placed in water for a few days to ferment, and then the water is used to create starter. I saw this in the facebook sourdough group.

I'm trying pineapple juice with rye flour, so we'll see.
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Old 17.04.2016, 22:55
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

I realise I never updated this thread with news of how it went...

I took a chance, followed the recipe and cut the times a little... and the starter went bubbly as required and we had some very nice bread.

Unfortunately the aubergines were under-ripe and I didn't grill them for long enough so the aubergine parmagiana was rather chewy, but you can't have everything in life!
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

FYI, migros do a sourdough bread, it's the organic one called "Grotto". It's ok, one of the best they do. Buy a big chunk and, if any left after a couple of days, you can slice and freeze it.
I've made a fair few sourdoughs, starter made with water and rye flour, fed over a week or so. It died when I brought it over to Basel...... my fault, I neglected it as I started trying all the local breads.
Oh, it's also possible to buy sauertieg yeast in packets in the German supermarkets. I've tried a couple, again, not bad and a little hit of tang. They're in the flour/baking sections, funnily enough. If you don't want to adopt your own starter, the packet stuff is fine and lasts quite a while unopened, at the back of the bread cupboard.
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Re: Anyone ever made sourdough bread?

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