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Typically .... supermarkets here (as in Coop & Migros) are all the same, and they sell bio/organic veg and meat. Even the non-bio meat here is ok, just check (if you care) that it's Swiss. Non-bio veg and meat here is very expensive compared to anywhere else nearby, but the bio stuff is about the same, so this leads to the fact that the markup here for bio products is actually very low.

Farmers' markets are eye wateringly expensive but sell local produce which, despite there being no guarantee of quality, at least supports local farmers if you care about that sort of thing.

You've just posted about farmers markets selling fresh seafood. Have you ever been to Switzerland?
That's helpful information, thank you! I have been to Switzerland once but did not visit a farmers' market at the time. I assumed that seafood would be available in a farmers' market.
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Not necessarily, the bigger supermarkets have their own butcher stalls and fish counters, but I find the pre-packed meat is often similar in quality. The main advantage of butchers/butcher's counters is that you can pick and choose your cuts or place orders. Most towns have market days where you can pick up local produce, but that doen't mean to say it's necessarily "bio" or "organic".
I see. Thank you.
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Fish from the lake is fresh. Anything else is frozen and has travelled along way.

I think Paleo man probably hunted fish in the shallows with a spear.
Landi sell local farm veg and some meat.
They also sell wood and tools suitable to make spears.
You may need a licence for spear fishing.
Will apply for one as soon as I get there!
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Not necessarily, the bigger supermarkets have their own butcher stalls and fish counters, but I find the pre-packed meat is often similar in quality. The main advantage of butchers/butcher's counters is that you can pick and choose your cuts or place orders. Most towns have market days where you can pick up local produce, but that doen't mean to say it's necessarily "bio" or "organic".
Do supermarkets typically have separate sections for bio and non-bio produce? Bio being more expensive.
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I assumed that seafood would be available in a farmers' market.
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Do supermarkets typically have separate sections for bio and non-bio produce? Bio being more expensive.
No, they lump them in together but Bio stuff is labelled and as such. It's also packaged to protect it so can be more wasteful on packaging.
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Do supermarkets typically have separate sections for bio and non-bio produce? Bio being more expensive.
No.

Every food and drink section marks Bio products with a label attached the the price tab on the front edge of the shelf.

If you'll be working normal office hours, one farmer's market you might like is over at Zollikon, outsode the Migros, on Saturday mornings. It's only small, but I've had some really good produce from there.
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Do supermarkets typically have separate sections for bio and non-bio produce? Bio being more expensive.
Depends - most Swiss supermarkets are segregated between those shopping for themselves and for those who send their staff to the shopping. Organic food is only available in the latter and usually 3 times the price of the non-organic. This ensures that those who can afford staff can maintain the smug feeling of being much richer than normal folk.

Thursday is the main slaughtering day in Switzerland and most abattoirs have an open door policy to the public. Housewives (remember 97% of Swiss married women don't work) will typically head down to the abattoir around 10am, catch up with other housewives, while eyeing up which cow they'd like. A good looking cow can often fetch triple the asking price if a few of the women get into a bidding war. Fresh meat is usually packed up and taken the same day but any that needs aging is sent to the Hangman. He is the one who makes sure the women get some really well hung meat.

For fresh fish, most mountain villages have a dawn fish market on a Tuesday where local fish from the lakes is sold - you'll find an excellent selection of Tuna, Crabs, Cod, Brill and King Prawns. You can usually chat with the fisherman as they tidy away their nets.
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Any supermarket.
Not really. Bio here means lots of different things and there is no real standard...

http://www.wwf.ch/fr/agir/vivre_mieu...limentaires/#K
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Re: Grassfed Meat, Seafood and Organic Vegetables

I hope my seafood isn't grass-fed...
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Re: Grassfed Meat, Seafood and Organic Vegetables

It seems there are some subscription services available that deliver organic produce on a weekly/monthly basis. Here are some links I found:

https://www.farmy.ch/

http://www.ortoloco.ch/

http://www.oepfelchasper.ch/ueber-un...n-zuerich.html

Not sure if anyone has views on/experiences with these or similar services.

Thank you in advance.
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From a freshness perspective, wouldn't a butcher be a better option for meats and a farmers market for seafood and vegetables as compared to supermarkets? Any views on the price difference, if any?

Thank you in advance.
My solution is to buy local whenever possible.

The local butcher here labels where the meat comes from, and by that I mean which farm in the neighborhood.

I buy direct eggs from the farmer.

Local farms often sell produce in season, you'll see a sign by the entry drive to the farm advertising what hey have. An excellent way to get fruits and veg fresh in season.

Our village Spar (one of the smaller grocery chains) often sells local produce, again labeled by the farm it comes from.

There are also local fishmongers along the Zuerichsee; I am ichythophobic so try to avoid these, but I am told this is a good source.

If you know who the farmer is you can find out how the produce or meat has been raised, you can see quality standards for yourself.

I do not buy bio foods in the grocery store; as other posters have pointed out the label isn't necessarily a guarantee of anything other than higher prices. Rather for the most part I buy local from farmers I know and trust.

I live off the beaten track, where we still have farms in the area.
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Re: Grassfed Meat, Seafood and Organic Vegetables

Wednesday market at the main station

https://www.zuerich.com/en/visit/sho...at-the-station
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Re: Grassfed Meat, Seafood and Organic Vegetables

I had a related discussion with my sister who spends a lot of time on farms and also did an apprenticeship as a veterinary nurse, so she is aware of animal wellfare and suchlike. Basically, if you buy stuff that is produced in Switzerland, the differences between the normal and bio stuff are pretty small, as the law is apparently pretty strict for everyone. The horror images used by the more militant vegetarians are not recent or not from this country.


Now if you want grass-fed because of the omega whatsits, then that is a different issue, where I can't really help you, but I guess animals that live on grass such as most seem to do in the alps, you should be ok. But you can definitely skip "grass fed pork" as there should be no such thing, pigs are the most omni of the omnivores (maybe with the exception of labrador retrievers).
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My solution is to buy local whenever possible.

The local butcher here labels where the meat comes from, and by that I mean which farm in the neighborhood.

I buy direct eggs from the farmer.

Local farms often sell produce in season, you'll see a sign by the entry drive to the farm advertising what hey have. An excellent way to get fruits and veg fresh in season.

Our village Spar (one of the smaller grocery chains) often sells local produce, again labeled by the farm it comes from.

There are also local fishmongers along the Zuerichsee; I am ichythophobic so try to avoid these, but I am told this is a good source.

If you know who the farmer is you can find out how the produce or meat has been raised, you can see quality standards for yourself.

I do not buy bio foods in the grocery store; as other posters have pointed out the label isn't necessarily a guarantee of anything other than higher prices. Rather for the most part I buy local from farmers I know and trust.

I live off the beaten track, where we still have farms in the area.
Thank you very much for your thoughts meloncollie.
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Wednesday market at the main station

https://www.zuerich.com/en/visit/sho...at-the-station
I arrive in Zurich next Wednesday and will be taking the train from the airport to HB (my temporary accommodation is near HB). So this market would be an easy one to explore! Thank you.
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I had a related discussion with my sister who spends a lot of time on farms and also did an apprenticeship as a veterinary nurse, so she is aware of animal wellfare and suchlike. Basically, if you buy stuff that is produced in Switzerland, the differences between the normal and bio stuff are pretty small, as the law is apparently pretty strict for everyone. The horror images used by the more militant vegetarians are not recent or not from this country.


Now if you want grass-fed because of the omega whatsits, then that is a different issue, where I can't really help you, but I guess animals that live on grass such as most seem to do in the alps, you should be ok. But you can definitely skip "grass fed pork" as there should be no such thing, pigs are the most omni of the omnivores (maybe with the exception of labrador retrievers).
In other words, in Switzerland, there is not much difference when you buy meat from a supermarket, a butcher or directly from the farm?

Is that understanding correct? Thank you.
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I arrive in Zurich next Wednesday and will be taking the train from the airport to HB (my temporary accommodation is near HB). So this market would be an easy one to explore! Thank you.
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In other words, in Switzerland, there is not much difference when you buy meat from a supermarket, a butcher or directly from the farm?

Is that understanding correct? Thank you.
The price? Unless you move here from Hongkong (where grass-fed meet should be very expensive, I imagine) you're in for a surprise here.
Is the grass-fed meet the only research you did before arriving here next week?
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The price? Unless you move here from Hongkong (where grass-fed meet should be very expensive, I imagine) you're in for a surprise here.
Is the grass-fed meet the only research you did before arriving here next week?
Are you asking or accusing? You may check my other posts (I have more than you btw) to review the other topics I have researched.

I do know that prices are very high in Switzerland. I wish to not compromise on food quality - as far as possible and realistic.
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