Am I poisoning my husband? - Page 2

Wildkiwi · #21 19.03.2010, 13:14

Thanks for the science and history lesson.....but she did say it was FRESH

can we confirm this please

	Quote:	Confloozed
	My guess is that means it was already frozen at one time, or their are ingrediants that will not, when thawed, be as good when not frozen. I like almost all Chefs, will never re freeze anything. However, scientificly speaking, re freezing or freezing at all, with the exception of beef, only adds to the breaking down of the fibers of the cell walls in vegetables and meats and fish. I mean it does that for beef as well, but it acts as a tenderizer, as opposed to a decay-er. Bacteria is NOT killed by freezing, and bacteria is not 100% killed by deep frying or cooking. It's the handling of the product what counts the most, and how you hold it in the refridgerator. Any food product does not have an unlimited shelf life. It's why frozen items have an expiration date. But an expiration date, is not the same for food as it is with medication, except for egg based products. An expiration date is a gaurantee of taste and nutritional quality. As soon as you pass that date you do not have the same amount of the both as it states on the package, and when you pass a certain amount of time, it has no nutritional or edible value, but can still be passed thru the system. You can see more about this in a book called Kitchen Science, also used by the CIA, Culinary Institute of America, one of the best, maybe the best, culinary arts program in the USA, also in their culinary arts program student text book The Professional Chef. To answer your question more clearly, you only gave your husband something that was not as good as it was when it was not frozen(probably only taste wise, and nutritionally maybe less, but not detrimental). It's a common mis perception about freezing, that if it says on the box not sutiable for home freezing, or do not re freeze, that there must be some health risks, when in fact, it's more of a question of making their product look the best, in the best conditions. The frozen foods maker Leonard Birdseye, said on his box of frozen foods "Do not re-freeze after thawing". But it was so people would not thaw, decide not to make it, and thaw it, re freeze it, and repeat the process, so that when they did cook it, the food did not look like mush. People expect when they open a package, and they follow the rules, then the product should be exactly how they expected it to be. And people also assumed that this thawing and refreezing process would allow the food to last forever as well. So to eliminate all of this and gaurantee the future sales on the company based on an excellent looking product, he included that phrase on the packaging, and the mass public accepted the ideal that you cannot re-freeze after thawing a product. When, in all thruthfullness it's ok to do so. I don't do this because of this public mis conception, and balance what I need in the kitchen just fine, but it's a fact.

Confloozed · #22 19.03.2010, 13:15

"how can fish not smell 'fishy'??"
What does another guy say to another guy about fishy smells? Fish should smell fresh. When it makes an amonia smell, the fishy smell, it's no good. Some chefs will try wash it off or bathe it in a citric acid like lemon or lime juice. Fishy is a build up of bacteria, in the fish case or the guy's fish case.

weejeem · #23 19.03.2010, 13:31

	Quote:	Wildkiwi
	Thanks for the science and history lesson.....but she did say it was FRESH can we confirm this please

No, she didn't. She said that the label stated that it was "FRESH SEAFOOD".

Neither she nor the label made any claims regarding the history of the constituents.
The "Don't Refreeze" warning is a dead giveaway.

EDIT: I just reread the OP and realised it was refrozen. In the bin with it!!
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Wildkiwi · #24 19.03.2010, 13:34

	Quote:	weejeem
	No, she didn't. She said that the label stated that it was "FRESH SEAFOOD". Neither she nor the label made any claims regarding the history of the constituents. The "Don't Refreeze" warning is a dead giveaway. .

OK point taken.....but the bloody label said it was fresh which means not frozen in my books!

walterguariento · #25 19.03.2010, 13:38

	Quote:	Wildkiwi
	OK point taken.....but the bloody label said it was fresh which means not frozen in my books!

fresh has no legal meaning whatsoever... labelling can be tricky, something can be labelled fresh and still be previously frozen...

PaddyG · #26 19.03.2010, 13:39

	Quote:	Wildkiwi
	OK point taken.....but the bloody label said it was fresh which means not frozen in my books!

/OT
Reminds me of when I worked in a beach café in Cornwall. The owner advertised "fresh local crab sandwiches", whereas in fact it was frozen from the Orkney Islands.
/OT

Dougal's Breakfast · #27 19.03.2010, 13:41

i took a carton of orange juce out of the freezer this morning, and the lable still said 'fresh orange juce" so it couldnt of been frozen.

but i took it out of my own freezer!!!!

please can some body explain this to me please? How could the lable lie to me like that??!?

#28 19.03.2010, 13:44

It wasn't frozen. It was thick and cold. Obviously.

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	i took a carton of orange juce out of the freezer this morning, and the lable still said 'fresh orange juce" so it couldnt of been frozen. but i took it out of my own freezer!!!! please can some body explain this to me please? How could the lable lie to me like that??!?

Sada · #29 19.03.2010, 13:45

	Quote:	Monika
	I bought several trays of fresh seafood which I put in the freezer straight away only to read today in very small print: "not suitable for homefreezing". I had a huge argument with my husband who accused me of trying to poison him when I suggested that we could still eat it - cooked in a fish pie. What do you think? I will not hold you personally responsible for our demise!!

Honestly, if this makes your husband pick a fight with you, I'd flush the whole damn thing down the toilet et basta!!!

Dougal's Breakfast · #30 19.03.2010, 13:46

	Quote:	economisto
	It was thick and cold. Obviously.

I'm talking about my orange juice, not my Swiss ex!

walterguariento · #31 19.03.2010, 13:47

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	How could the lable lie to me like that??!?

how can fresh orange juice being made from concentrate?

btw, why do you freeze your OJ?

walterguariento · #32 19.03.2010, 13:48

	Quote:	Sada
	Honestly, if this makes your husband pick a fight with you, I'd flush the whole damn thing down* the toilet et basta!!!*

do you mean the husband ... or the seafood?

Confloozed · #33 19.03.2010, 13:48

Cornwall...cornhole

#34 19.03.2010, 13:49

Oh no he di'int

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	I'm talking about my orange juice, not my Swiss ex!

Dougal's Breakfast · #35 19.03.2010, 13:50

	Quote:	walterguariento
	btw, why do you freeze your OJ?

Jubblies, old chap. Jubblies.

lost_inbroad · #36 19.03.2010, 13:50

	Quote:	walterguariento
	how can fresh orange juice being made from concentrate? btw, why do you freeze your OJ?

Must be a British thing...

Wildkiwi · #37 19.03.2010, 13:51

	Quote:	Monika
	I bought several trays of fresh seafood which I put in the freezer straight away only to read today in very small print: "not suitable for homefreezing". I had a huge argument with my husband who accused me of trying to poison him when I suggested that we could still eat it - cooked in a fish pie. What do you think? I will not hold you personally responsible for our demise!!

So Monika "bought several trays of fresh seafood" which she didn't take out of her freezer.....she put it IN her freezer, what this is boiling down to is that it was ALREADY frozen when she bought it fresh.......

Wildkiwi · #38 19.03.2010, 13:53

	Quote:	walterguariento
	do you mean the husband ... or the seafood?

Now we are talking .....back to laughing again for me

walterguariento · #39 19.03.2010, 13:54

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	Jubblies, old chap. Jubblies.

over breakfast?

Fraueli · #40 19.03.2010, 13:55

	Quote:	Dougal's Breakfast
	Jubblies, old chap. Jubblies.

WTH? I googled Jubblies because I thought it was a frozen drink..........I found something else!