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Espresso machine recommendations

Anyone have an espresso machine to recommend? I would like a machine that froths as well as makes great espresso. I also would prefer to spend $500 or less. Thanks!
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Old 02.06.2010, 17:43
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

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Anyone have an espresso machine to recommend? I would like a machine that froths as well as makes great espresso. I also would prefer to spend $500 or less. Thanks!
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

It's got to be nespresso! You can get one for around 300CHF
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Old 02.06.2010, 18:05
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um, nespresso is terrible! If Uncle Max ever arrives he might tell you that the important stuff is to grind the beans yourself, to get a good grinder (a burr one), to make sure you get the coffee from the grinder to the machine immediately. Nespresso isn't that much better than one of the more expensive instant varieties to my taste.
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

These Krups machines are amazing, because the are all in one automatic

http://www.krups.ch/All+Products/Espresso+Machines/Fully+automatic+espresso+machines/Fully+automatic+espresso+machines.htm?currChan={75 0B0E33-4D70-49AA-81DA-6660941935DA}

They have doble nozzle so you can make two espressi at the same time and you can also make capuccino. The beast feature is the integrated grinder, so you can have fresh coffee from your selection of coffee beans.

However those machines are not the cheaper in the market, but I think you can find the EA 8010 near your pricetag.

The capsule operated machines are cheaper, and this Citiz models branded Nespresso (actually made from DeLonghi) is compact with 20's Art Deco style like design.

http://www.nespresso.com/#/ch/en/cof...machines-citiz
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

If you don't mind buying a second-hand reconditioned machine, you can get a great deal on a refurbished Jura machine on eBay Germany. Here's an example of the middle-of-the-range machine with a 12 month warranty for EUR329:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Jura-Impressa-Ult...item5190bdd347

There are quite a few sellers on there who refurbish machines, and they generally range between EUR175-400 depending on the model.

The Jura machines are all super-automatics of one sort or another (meaning that you put beans in the container, then press a button and the beans are ground, tamped, brewed, and disposed of. All you need to do is empty the machine every week or two). All make good espresso, and all have a steam nozzle for frothing milk.

More money buys newer models and more features. The two worth caring about are dual heating elements, which maintain water at appropriate temperatures for coffee and steam at the same time (otherwise you need to wait between brewing coffee and frothing milk -- the water needs to heat up to froth milk, and the extra-hot water needs to be bled off after frothing before making more coffee in a single-element machine) and a frothing attachmentif you don't want to steam your own milk. Other features on higher-end machines include digital displays, cup warmers, timers, etc.

Most of the big superautomatics are rebranded Jura machines (eg, those marketed under the Krups / AEG brands), with Saeco machines being the notable exception.

Many people don't like used goods, but I'd much rather have a refurbished CHF1500- coffee maker for EUR300 than a new EUR300 coffee maker. The results are far better, the machine will last longer (I'm on my second -- the first one lasted more than 10 years, and this one is still working as new after 6 years), and most importantly, you aren't locked into a proprietary capsule system.

I discovered superautomatic machines when I first arrived in Switzerland (they were unheard of outside CH/D at that time) and I've never looked back. Buy one. You won't regret it.
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

It's been years since I owned one, so I'm not qualified to make a current recommendation on models/brands. However I do know that you need more than just "steam pressure" to make true espresso. You need a minimum of 9 BAR/135 PSI (some people say 14 BAR) to do it right. The cost of the pump and storage vessel (if it's not hand-pumped) to achieve that knocks most of the department store machines out of the running.

I agree with VI who recommends buying a refurbished CHF 1500 machine for CHF 300, rather than a new department store model for CHF 300...
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

Thanks, I guess I'll start looking secondhand. Any additional thoughts? Uncle Max?
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Re: Espresso machine recommendations

Ouf, for that amount, you'd be better off with Nespresso, than with anything else. the little frothing device on the side of the Citiz machine is amazing, works with cold or hot milk, and the coffee is consistently good.

Of course, the cost depends on how many coffees you drink in a day - but if you drink lots, you may need a big machine anyway, running in the 1000.- chf and more.
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