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Joe Root - Best thing to happen to English cricket since Vaughan?

After his heroic FC season and now that assured ton in Headingley Joe Root certainly looks like the real thing. Comparisons with Vaughan and Thorpe will follow for sure.


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After his heroic FC season and now that assured ton in Headingley Joe Root certainly looks like the real thing. Comparisons with Vaughan and Thorpe will follow for sure.


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Re: Joe Root - Best thing to happen to English cricket since Vaughan?

It`s cricket Cannut, not something the Swiss or Canadians are too interested in.

Let`s see what Root does in the Ashes before getting too excited. He has shown he has a good temperament, let`s see if the Aussie bowlers work out his weakness and exploit it.
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Re: Joe Root - Best thing to happen to English cricket since Vaughan?

'Heroic' is pushing it a bit - are you a Yorkie?
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It`s cricket Cannut, not something the Swiss or Canadians are too interested in.

Let`s see what Root does in the Ashes before getting too excited. He has shown he has a good temperament, let`s see if the Aussie bowlers work out his weakness and exploit it.
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'Heroic' is pushing it a bit - are you a Yorkie?
Not really a Yorkie :-). I am an Indian but an avid follower of the English FC season. Since last year he already has show-cased his talent. That 222 against Hampshire last year or the 236 last month at Leeds. In between that 73 at Nagpur on debut was eye-catching and now this century. Yes he has some distance to go, but the omens are all good.

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Let`s see what Root does in the Ashes before getting too excited. He has shown he has a good temperament, let`s see if the Aussie bowlers work out his weakness and exploit it.
True. Lets wait for the Ashes. But given the current lot of Aussie bowlers I guess it will be an encore of the last Ashes.

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True. Lets wait for the Ashes. But given the current lot of Aussie bowlers I guess it will be an encore of the last Ashes.

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The Aussie bowlers are not so bad, the Aussie batsman on the other hand.
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The Aussie bowlers are not so bad, the Aussie batsman on the other hand.
This may be a point of discussion. Given the team picked for the Ashes exactly which department in the Aussie line-up is poorer. They haven't picked Johnson who can, on his day, run through a line-up rather quickly. The current quality can be judged from the fact that their best bat after Clarke is Haddin and only Siddle has more than 100 wickets!!

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This may be a point of discussion. Given the team picked for the Ashes exactly which department in the Aussie line-up is poorer. They haven't picked Johnson who can, on his day, run through a line-up rather quickly. The current quality can be judged from the fact that their best bat after Clarke is Haddin and only Siddle has more than 100 wickets!!

'Root'-ing for Joe here.
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Johnson has talent, his day just doesn`t come around often enough .

Australian batting is weak, Clarke is the best batsman on either side, the drop after him on the Aussie side is steep.

England`s batting is not that good either (depending on KP`s form/ fitness) but they have a little more depth spread over 3 or 4 players.

Englands bowling lineup is stronger than us Aussies, batting as well. They are stronger and will start favorites deservedly. Might be a but closer than pundits are calling for though (I hope).

A lot of pressure on Clarke to carry the Aussie`s and Cook, KP, Prior to carry the Pommes. The form of these guys will be crucial I think.

I am an Aussie, I won`t be cheering for Joe. I hope we turn him (them all) inside out!
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Re: Joe Root - Best thing to happen to English cricket since Vaughan?

Predicted ashes result is 5-0 whitewash to England and by a significant margin likely to be a totally uninteresting series due to the total mismatch in quality of the teams
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England`s batting is not that good either (depending on KP`s form/ fitness) but they have a little more depth spread over 3 or 4 players.
Well they have a reliable top order with Compton being the only suspect. The way Cook dismantled the Aussie last Ashes will remain etched for some time to come. Then you forget Bell and Trott. Bell on his artistic best is a treat to watch and Trott is a rather stubborn batsman to dislodge. And even after you topple the that top order you have Prior to contend with. This guy is amazing, his batting is as good as ever and his wicket keeping has come of the age. Even Board can throw the bat a bit. And now you have Root who is priming at the right time.

I hope the Aussies play Khawaja, there is a certain flair to his batting. And hopefully Pattinson will remain fit through the series.

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Predicted ashes result is 5-0 whitewash to England and by a significant margin likely to be a totally uninteresting series due to the total mismatch in quality of the teams
You want to put some money on that? Australia aren`t good, England aren`t great. You realize you are betting on English weather for a start

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Well they have a reliable top order with Compton being the only suspect. The way Cook dismantled the Aussie last Ashes will remain etched for some time to come. Then you forget Bell and Trott. Bell on his artistic best is a treat to watch and Trott is a rather stubborn batsman to dislodge. And even after you topple the that top order you have Prior to contend with. This guy is amazing, his batting is as good as ever and his wicket keeping has come of the age. Even Board can throw the bat a bit. And now you have Root who is priming at the right time.

I hope the Aussies play Khawaja, there is a certain flair to his batting. And hopefully Pattinson will remain fit through the series.
Cook at his best is very, very good, his temperament and shot selection brilliant, hasn`t been having the best time of it. Trott is good, Bell just average, KP can take the game away. Prior is doing well. The kiwi`s have shown cracks in the English lineup both in NZ and at Lords.

I hope we don`t play Khawaja. We don`t need more flair players. We need players like Cook and from what I have seen Root who value their wicket and build an innings. This Australian side isn`t a patch on the previous great side where they would and could never stop attacking. We need to bat time and build a score.
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I hope we don`t play Khawaja. We don`t need more flair players. .... We need to bat time and build a score.
But not Hughes for the Dickens!!! Cowan looked good on his debut. But 17 matches later I am a bit frustrated with him. Khawaja on the other hand did flop on a couple of occasions, but at 26 he is the correct commodity to invest in I reckon. He did have a couple of mighty good seasons with NSW in the Sheffield Shield. I still hope Khawaja gets a good look in.

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You want to put some money on that? Australia aren`t good, England aren`t great. You realize you are betting on English weather for a start



Cook at his best is very, very good, his temperament and shot selection brilliant, hasn`t been having the best time of it. Trott is good, Bell just average, KP can take the game away. Prior is doing well. The kiwi`s have shown cracks in the English lineup both in NZ and at Lords.

I hope we don`t play Khawaja. We don`t need more flair players. We need players like Cook and from what I have seen Root who value their wicket and build an innings. This Australian side isn`t a patch on the previous great side where they would and could never stop attacking. We need to bat time and build a score.
I wouldn't put money on anything related to e current crop of cricket sides! Compared to the teams of mid 90s and the period following they are all crap. I also don't expect the aussie team to be particularly interested in test cricket if ever again since the money available in India has basically killed any interest in test cricket in Australia. There are now so many other sports of interest meaning I would expect to see Australian cricket go the way of the west indies from world super power to uninterested. Test cricket is rapidly moving towards being irrelevant and probably will be within 10 years
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Compared to the teams of mid 90s and the period following they are all crap.
I think the situation is pretty much the same since mid 80s at least. Then it was WI and Pakistan with occasional brilliance from England courtesy Gooch, Botham and Gower (What a silky batsman he was). With the decline of WI, we had the Aussies filling up the blank and it were them all the way till the 2005 Ashes. In between we had SA who were always right there. Well ALMOST!! There was a short patch when India was numero uno though. But right now the SA is firmly perched at the top with the Pommies following them. SO it was almost always about 1 or 2 good/great teams and many also runs.

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Test cricket is rapidly moving towards being irrelevant and probably will be within 10 years
I hope not!! When I see even the English defeating India in India and India defeating the Aussies at Perth, I think test cricket might have a chance to survive. We also see more and more test matches being played these days. If anything I think it is the 50 over ODIs which is going to be the casualty amid all these razzmatazz of T-20.


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Bell just average
I have reservations against that declaration. We are talking about a player with 17 centuries and almost 6K runs averaging 46. Thats pretty good if seen in isolation. At least good enough to cause some planning done about him in the opposition camp.
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Re: Joe Root - Best thing to happen to English cricket since Vaughan?

Just watched the IPL final. Disappointing game but the tournament as a whole has been superb.
Joe Root - good boy. Sound technique and temperament. One to watch for the future
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Just watched the IPL final. Disappointing game but the tournament as a whole has been superb.
Joe Root - good boy. Sound technique and temperament. One to watch for the future
I was happy for the bowlers. Given the way they are trashed around these days, it was good to see so many wickets to fall. And at least we have a new Champion.

Root looks every inch the real thing. But yes, lets see where the rigours of modern cricket leaves him in a couple of years. For the time being selectors may think about dumping Bairstow.

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I think the situation is pretty much the same since mid 80s at least. Then it was WI and Pakistan with occasional brilliance from England courtesy Gooch, Botham and Gower (What a silky batsman he was). With the decline of WI, we had the Aussies filling up the blank and it were them all the way till the 2005 Ashes. In between we had SA who were always right there. Well ALMOST!! There was a short patch when India was numero uno though. But right now the SA is firmly perched at the top with the Pommies following them. SO it was almost always about 1 or 2 good/great teams and many also runs.


I hope not!! When I see even the English defeating India in India and India defeating the Aussies at Perth, I think test cricket might have a chance to survive. We also see more and more test matches being played these days. If anything I think it is the 50 over ODIs which is going to be the casualty amid all these razzmatazz of T-20.



I have reservations against that declaration. We are talking about a player with 17 centuries and almost 6K runs averaging 46. Thats pretty good if seen in isolation. At least good enough to cause some planning done about him in the opposition camp.
I tend to agree it might be 50 over cricket that suffers more. Will Australian cricket ever recover, not sure, Wallabies makes a strong point.

Nearly every Aussie kid played cricket as a youngster in my era. Lots dropped out at 12, even more at 16 but a whole bunch played on. Back in Australia at Christmas playing golf with 3 mates who all played high level cricket into their mid 30`s (I left Australia 28, played one season at very low level in England) we all wondered why the hell we didn`t quit earlier and play golf!

Bell`s test average against Australia is 32. So forgive me if I don`t rate him that highly. He has a had a 2nd coming under the coaching of Gooch, but still not someone to be feared.
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Re: Joe Root - Best thing to happen to English cricket since Vaughan?

I think the Aussies faced similar crisis in the mid eighties post retirement of the Chappels. But it took a guy like Border to mend things up. But at least then the domestic cricket was still a robust structure. I hear horror stories these days from friends down under. But I still think Aussies will not go the WI way. WI losses a great deal of talent to Yankee sports like Volleyball and Baseball.

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