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I thought Nico's pole should have meant he earned the right to start ahead and on the side of the direction of the first bend. In the end Hamilton had an equal advantage of the inside line.
He was naughty I think edging Nico off the circuit on the first bend.
Reminded me of Senna deliberately driving into Prost in 1990 a little.
But Nico lost his slim chance all by himself with his unforced error so he should really man up.
On the Austin track the outside line is the better line. The track rise quite considerably on the approach to the corner which itself features a late apex. Taking too tight a line into the corner massively compromises not only exit speed but line for the sequence of fast corners - 2-6.

Rosberg was a fool at the start (which is exactly what I said to my wife at the time), he had been muscled out by Hamilton in identical fashion in Japan so why he thought he could win the corner back (after a poor start) is beyond me. Once he knew Hamilton was alongside he should have hit the brakes harder and earlier and undercut Hamilton on the exit. He'd have baulked the Red Bulls, undercut Hamilton and more than likely the RBs would have followed him through as Hamilton went straight on. The only proviso in that is that it is clear Hamilton hadn't over committed and if he had realized Rosberg was looking for the undercut would have locked the front slightly and turned in more aggressively.

Rosberg's problem is that he is so focused on beating Hamilton wheel to wheel his racing brain switches off.

Senna/Prost was a completely different incident - and also had rumbled on after the accident the year before.
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The bottom line is that Rosberg is nothing more than an average driver. Every team has a number 1 and a number 2 and Rosberg is clearly a number 2 by results and ability.
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Old 28.10.2015, 18:10
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I think the BBC got their priorities wrong not showing Lewis winning the race live on TV. But late on a Sunday I guess it is difficult to make a call about which shows have priority.
BBC don't have the rights to show all races live or in full, only half of them. The decision which races would be shown live was made back in January. US and Mexico are highlights only, with the last two races being shown live; which probably seemed a good idea back then.
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The bottom line is that Rosberg is nothing more than an average driver. Every team has a number 1 and a number 2 and Rosberg is clearly a number 2 by results and ability.
1) Rosberg is a better than average F1 driver. He won the first GP2 title in 2005 beating future WTCC Champion Lopez, LeMans winner Alex Premat, and double WTCC independent champion Sergio Hernandez. He ran Hamilton close in 2014 and comprehensively beat Schumacher prior to that. He isn't one of the top drivers (Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Riccardo). IMHO he lacks the out and out speed of the first 3 and the racecraft of Riccardo - and perhaps also Button - who remains arguably the best "thinker" on the grid.

2) Not true - there have been a number of teams who have had 2 #1 drivers - McLaren from 84-89 springs to mind. Rosberg is better than Berger, Irvine, Barichello, Patrese - all strong #2 drivers from the last 25 years.

3) In my view Rosberg is on par with Coulthard and Webber - good enough on their day to win a race against their team mates but overall lacking the last few % which allows them to win a race when the day isn't going for them.
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1) Rosberg is a better than average F1 driver. He won the first GP2 title in 2005 beating future WTCC Champion Lopez, LeMans winner Alex Premat, and double WTCC independent champion Sergio Hernandez. He ran Hamilton close in 2014 and comprehensively beat Schumacher prior to that. He isn't one of the top drivers (Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Riccardo). IMHO he lacks the out and out speed of the first 3 and the racecraft of Riccardo - and perhaps also Button - who remains arguably the best "thinker" on the grid.

2) Not true - there have been a number of teams who have had 2 #1 drivers - McLaren from 84-89 springs to mind. Rosberg is better than Berger, Irvine, Barichello, Patrese - all strong #2 drivers from the last 25 years.

3) In my view Rosberg is on par with Coulthard and Webber - good enough on their day to win a race against their team mates but overall lacking the last few % which allows them to win a race when the day isn't going for them.
1) So you qualify his better than average F1 status with lots of non-F1 achievements? He's an average driver in an excellent car which he doesn't deserve. I seem to remember he cracked under the pressure of Hamilton chasing him last year in a race as well but I can't remember which. Comprehensively beating old man Schumacher. That seals the evidence there

2) Thanks for your one example from 30 years ago. In the modern era the top teams have a number 1 and a number 2. Mercedes will pretend they don't but they do.

3) That pretty much makes him (and them) average
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BBC don't have the rights to show all races live or in full, only half of them. The decision which races would be shown live was made back in January. US and Mexico are highlights only, with the last two races being shown live; which probably seemed a good idea back then.
Iirc the Beeb did have the rights to show all of them live initially, but cut back on their coverage to save money hence the selling off to Sky of some of their rights to the F1. So only certain races will be shown live such as the British GP, Monaco, etc.
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The bottom line is that Rosberg is nothing more than an average driver.
Where "average" is the average of the ten or so best drivers in the world.

But I agree that his limitations are showing more and more. Not just in outright driving, but in his ability to cope with the pressure. Both of the incidents on Sunday were signs of that, and although he admitted that the later mistake was of his own making, he did continue to maintain that the first one was unfair driving by Lewis, whereas it was quite clear that at that stage Lewis had actually edged ahead, so Nico should have backed off and attacked again after the corner.
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2) Thanks for your one example from 30 years ago. In the modern era the top teams have a number 1 and a number 2. Mercedes will pretend they don't but they do.
For the most part McLaren have stuck with the "No #1" situation - who was #1 Hamilton or Alonso? Hamilton or Button?

Williams ran no #2 with Mansell and Piquet?
In fact Williams have spent much of the last 15 years without a clear #1.

Any top team worth its salt is looking to partner 2 drivers, ideally with similar styles in order to get their team the most number of points.

Coulthard, Webber and Rosberg are far from average - being how much above a normal driver even the most inept F1 driver is - you quickly realize how impressive they are. They are tier 2 drivers - I'd put Massa up there too - Grosjean and Raikonnen from the current batch as well.

Average F1 drivers are the likes of Brundle, Zanardi, R. Schumacher, HH Frentzen, N Hulkenberg and so on.
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Iirc the Beeb did have the rights to show all of them live initially, but cut back on their coverage to save money hence the selling off to Sky of some of their rights to the F1. So only certain races will be shown live such as the British GP, Monaco, etc.
Yes, but which races will be shown on BBC is decided before the biginning of the season. Besides the two you mention, the season finale is the other guaranteed race.
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Re: The 2015 F1 Thread

Am I the only one that dislikes Hamilton in his self promotion and childlike behaviour? I am not denying his talent but cannot watch his interviews anymore. I stopped watching F1 on the bbc and switched to ORF or France as they always take side with Hamilton.
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Yes, but which races will be shown on BBC is decided before the biginning of the season. Besides the two you mention, the season finale is the other guaranteed race.
Yes, exactly, which is why they wouldn't have covered last weekend's race live even when they realised that Hamilton had a chance of clinching the title then. It just wasn't possible for them. Only 10 of the races this year are covered live:

Malaysia - 29th March
Bahrain - 19th April
Canada - 7th June
Britain - 5th July
Hungary - 26th July
Belgium - 23rd August
Japan - 27th September
Russia - 11th October
Brazil - 15th November
Abu Dhabi - 29th November

That list was published on the 5th March so no they didn't do Monaco live.
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