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25.10.2010, 14:23
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | So you are saying that Redbull has reliable drivers, but Mclaren not. And that Hamilton made a crucial mistake.
Therefore, how would you compare Webber's mistake to Hamilton's? One driver (Hamilton, with a difficult car) lost a place, the other (Webber, with the fastest car in the field) crashed himself and another car out of the race.
It would be interesting to add up the different incidents between drivers if you count Vettel taking Webber and Button off the track (Turkey & Spa), and include Webber crashing into Hamilton in Australia. The Hamilton / Webber tangle in Singapore was debatable in terms of blame. Hamiltons accident in Monza was probably luck rather than anything - we've seen drivers bang wheels far harder than that and get away with it..
In summary, I would say that Mclaren's drivers are definitely no less reliable than Redbull's - just look at their pole to win ratio.. | | | | | I quite agree. When you look at the two McLarens yesterday they were both struggling greatly with brake problems - both drivers reported fronts constantly locking - thus Rosberg made the most of it and got past Hamilton. Can hardly call this a mistake and just look at Hamilton v. Button yesterday. Had they got the balance right I imagine Lewis would have been right up there, probably in front.
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25.10.2010, 14:29
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If we are taking greenieblob bets on the most crash prone drivers I will take Sutil.
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25.10.2010, 15:32
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I don't think there has been a single overtake manouver from Vettel without contact. As he's primarily at the front, he does not have to get by slower cars often, otherwise we would have a lot more of these from him I'm sure.
Lewis taking himself out in Italy was his fault mainly, Singapore I'd say Webber's but Lewis could have given a bit more space.
Webber has rammed several drivers the most spectacular of which was with Kovi.
Yesterday Lewis was chopping at the bit, wanting the race to start. Yes there was a chance that he could go off and right off his chances, but he had more to gain than to loose. As he said, there was no issue with standing water which would lead to aqua-planning, just a lack of grip due to the new track surface where the water just sat on the resin of oil and other chemicals which meant the water did not drain away either so the spray took a long time to reduce.
In the end the result has only made the title challenge even tougher and will go to the last race where any of the top four drivers could win. Alonso and Webber must have the best chances, but don't rule out Lewis or Seb. I hope it's Webber or Lewis though.
RBR have had the best (fastest anyhow) car and they should have wrapped up both championships long time ago. But they haven't and this makes the remaining few races more exciting.
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25.10.2010, 15:45
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I think Lewis has come in for a lot of unfair criticism when it comes to mistakes in the past 2 years. One should remember that the Mclaren has been by no means the fastest car, meaning that Lewis has had to push harder and take greater risks to get his results. More risk = more accidents. I forget the statistics, but by the middle of this season Lewis had made more overtakes than the other leading drivers combined.
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25.10.2010, 18:25
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | ..... I hear horner still isn't going to back webber even with vettal 24 points behind alonso. | | | | | What they say publicly and what they actually do may be quite different.
I doubt if either Red Bull or McLaren will publicly favour one driver over the other due to the recent 'team orders' controversy.
I feel sure that both teams have their plans for the remaining two races and their drivers know what is expected of them | 
25.10.2010, 18:35
| | | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | I think Lewis has come in for a lot of unfair criticism when it comes to mistakes in the past 2 years. One should remember that the Mclaren has been by no means the fastest car, meaning that Lewis has had to push harder and take greater risks to get his results. More risk = more accidents. I forget the statistics, but by the middle of this season Lewis had made more overtakes than the other leading drivers combined. | | | | | The McLaren hasn't been the fastest car in qualifying but in most races the race pace has been well up there.
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26.10.2010, 08:27
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | The McLaren hasn't been the fasted car in qualifying but in most races the race pace has been well up there. | | | | | Correct which means to gain positions the dirvers have to overtake which is always a risk.
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26.10.2010, 08:37
| | | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | Correct which means to gain positions the dirvers have to overtake which is always a risk. | | | | | An ideal race for team, driver and car would be on pole every week and win the race from there with no drama or pit stops.
An ideal race for a spectator is to start from last work your way up to first position by the end of the race. During the race there should be at least 2 safety cars, a sprinkling of rain (at least twice and completely unexpected) and some pit stop drama.
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04.11.2010, 09:04
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Apparently the McLaren duo, Lewis "Where's the finish line" Hamilton and Jenson " It's mathematically possible" Button will "cooperate" in the last two races.
Won't Button have to be near Hammy to help?
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04.11.2010, 09:08
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | Apparently the McLaren duo, Lewis "Where's the finish line" Hamilton and Jenson " It's mathematically possible" Button will "cooperate" in the last two races.
Won't Button have to be near Hammy to help? | | | | |
not really, button just needs to quaily on really really low fuel and hold everyone up (apart from hamilton of course). Or while crashing make sure he takes out the right person instead of one of the mercs
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04.11.2010, 09:28
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | not really, button just needs to quaily on really really low fuel and hold everyone up (apart from hamilton of course). Or while crashing make sure he takes out the right person instead of one of the mercs
(retreats from lit touchpaper) | | | | | Well, they all qualify on the lowest of low fuel. He won't qualify higher than 5th anyway. I can't see him getting ahead of Hammy tbh.
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04.11.2010, 09:39
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | Well, they all qualify on the lowest of low fuel. He won't qualify higher than 5th anyway. I can't see him getting ahead of Hammy tbh. | | | | |
as long as he gets through to final quaily button could have a quaily setup and just stay out, burn as much fuel as possible and use up all his tyres, totally screw his race up but could almost guarantee pole
would be huge ask from mclaren though
could also get hamilton to give him a tow (and vise versa)
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04.11.2010, 10:05
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | Well, they all qualify on the lowest of low fuel. He won't qualify higher than 5th anyway. I can't see him getting ahead of Hammy tbh. | | | | | I agree, I just don't see him starting in front of LH. So the only thing he can do is to have 'brake failure' into the first corner and take out the opposition | 
04.11.2010, 16:42
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Couldn't they release Button out of a pit stop to mess everyone up?
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04.11.2010, 17:25
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | as long as he gets through to final quaily button could have a quaily setup and just stay out, burn as much fuel as possible and use up all his tyres, totally screw his race up but could almost guarantee pole
would be huge ask from mclaren though
could also get hamilton to give him a tow (and vise versa) | | | | |
All the cars should in theory have only enough fuel left for their in-lap after Q3 and there isn't an awful lot you could do setup wise to bias towards Quali. Maybe lower the front ride height a mm or so, perhaps find a tenth or two - certianly not enough to get pole and besides you'd be grounding with 150kg onboard
Strategically it's a different story, easy to accidentally block the others in Q3 (look out for button exiting the pit lane when red Bulls/Ferraris on a fast one) and in the race they could use BUT to open a window for HAM to pit into in the race (you do this by telling him to slow right down and create a gap which is opening at a rate that the other teams fail to notice in time  ). HAM can then get a clean stop, onto his nice tyres and filter up through the field.
We can expect some shennanigans for sure!! | 
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship | Quote: | |  | | | All the cars should in theory have only enough fuel left for their in-lap after Q3 and there isn't an awful lot you could do setup wise to bias towards Quali. Maybe lower the front ride height a mm or so, perhaps find a tenth or two - certianly not enough to get pole and besides you'd be grounding with 150kg onboard
Strategically it's a different story, easy to accidentally block the others in Q3 (look out for button exiting the pit lane when red Bulls/Ferraris on a fast one) and in the race they could use BUT to open a window for HAM to pit into in the race (you do this by telling him to slow right down and create a gap which is opening at a rate that the other teams fail to notice in time ). HAM can then get a clean stop, onto his nice tyres and filter up through the field.
We can expect some shennanigans for sure!! | | | | | They need to have JUST enough fuel to complete the Qualifying, get back to race control and be able to provide a fuel sample.
I am sure the primary focus will be for both drivers to qualify as high as possible, then work out the race strategy after that.
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05.11.2010, 08:24
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| | | Re: The 2010 Formula One Championship All times are local (Brazil is GMT -2) Friday 5 November 10:00 - 11:30: First free practice 14:00 - 15:30: Second free practice 16:00: FIA press conference Saturday 6 November 11:00 - 12:00: Third free practice 14:00 - 15:00: Qualifying 15h00: FIA post qualifying press conference Sunday 7 November 14:00 - 16:00: Brazilian GP 19:00: FIA post race press conference Brazilian GP Info No of Laps: 71 Race Distance:305.909 km Lap Record: 1:11.473 - JP Montoya (2004) 2009 Winner: Mark Webber (Red Bull
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05.11.2010, 08:48
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Local times:
Practice 1  FRI 13:00
Practice 2  FRI 17:00
Practice 3  SAT 14:00
Qualifying  SAT 17:00
Race  SUN 17:00
The BBC tends to have ca. one hour before the quali and race.
Free practice is available on the RED button for those who have satellite (SKY or FreeSat).
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