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Old 14.02.2011, 21:27
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The reasonable offer Etiquette

Hello,

I want to ask you what do you think ''reasonable offer'' or ''Best Offer'' means when someone writes it on his/her add in the Selling Section.

If someone sells something for exemple 900chf or best offer, What will be your idea of the dealing etiquette?

Same if it's 300 chf or reasonable offer, etc.

I spend years of my life living in places where bargaining was a part of the daily life when buying something. Never accepting the price asked but graciously dealing around the price to come to an amount that both side will be happy with. I always enjoyed it.

Most of the Western countries don't have this culture of bargain and when someone doesn't know how to bargain, it can comes out pretty insulting.

For exemple if the price asked is 700 chf or best offer and someone try to get it down at 400 chf right away.

So is there any etiquette on this forum when it comes to bargain? What do you think is acceptable and what isn't? Do you think all prices are good to ask?

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Old 14.02.2011, 21:31
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You make me offer, lady. Make me offer. I do you nice price. Lovely jubbly!
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Old 14.02.2011, 21:32
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Old 14.02.2011, 21:34
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

I wish I could barter but I just can't.

I always end up paying what is asked
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Old 14.02.2011, 21:41
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

go lower about 10 % then you think is acceptable, rising by 1% each time and then you will get the product cheaper. Face in the door technique. With bartering, foot in the door simply doesn't work.
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Old 14.02.2011, 22:33
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

All depends on the culture Nil. Really.. I'll bargain just for the fun of it, in Italy, if I'm in an open mercato, but I wouldn't in Northern Europe.
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Old 14.02.2011, 22:37
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

Several related threads might be of interest:

Haggling in Switzerland

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Old 14.02.2011, 22:43
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

Actually, being able to haggle the price down made me feel I know the local language ..And it was not just stating mere numbers, it was fun. So, you can, even here. I think it is almost expected by some, at flee markets, thrift stores and 2nd hand situ.
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Make whatever offer you feel like. They ask for an offer, you make one. Zasseet
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

What is your etiquette regarding sells on this forum?

When do you think it is bad manners to bargain and how low from the original price you think someone can go?

I find a lot of bad manners in dealing for sells on the forum, but I was wondering if it is my personal sensitivity or a general opinion on how people act when it comes down to buy something from someone here.

If someone sells an item for 900 chf obo. I would find it acceptable to maybe go down by 100 chf.

But if someone sells something for 200 chf, I'll find it pretty rude if someone comes up with half the price.

If you want to buy a whole bunch of items, it is ok to ask a price for the lot instead to pay the whole asked price of each items.

What do you think?
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

I wouldn't find it rude, I don't think.

I only haggeled face to face on a market, and for a really rediculous price, so it was easy...I am not sure how it works otherwise.
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I wish I could barter but I just can't.

I always end up paying what is asked
what s/he said...

if i don't like the price, i don't "need" the item enough..


I have seen people barter at our local flea market - arguing between 8 and 10 chf for a lampshade..

For me it isn't worth the energy, nor is it fun.
Others may find it "fun" though..


I am guessing that most people here on the forum, don't know how to barter for anything other than houses, so you shouldn't feel insulted (just know that they are stooopid )..
I also get the impression that CH isn't really a bartering culture, though maybe i hang with the wrong crowd
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Old 15.02.2011, 07:47
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if i don't like the price, i don't "need" the item enough..


I have seen people barter at our local flea market - arguing between 8 and 10 chf for a lampshade..

For me it isn't worth the energy, nor is it fun.
Others may find it "fun" though..


I am guessing that most people here on the forum, don't know how to barter for anything other than houses, so you shouldn't feel insulted (just know that they are stooopid )..
I also get the impression that CH isn't really a bartering culture, though maybe i hang with the wrong crowd
In the Middle east, if you don't try to bargain a bit, they don't have respect for you. When a tourist comes along.... Kitching! $$$ You know you are going to get the max for your items and they usually blow the price 2-3 times its value!

I like it when someone on the forum will say if the price is too expensive compared of what is in the store. It help those who have no ideas. But I do find bad manners when the price is right and someone offer well under the asking price. For exemple if someone selld somthing for 200 chf and a bozzo comes and offer 50 chf for it.
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Old 15.02.2011, 08:20
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I like it when someone on the forum will say if the price is too expensive compared of what is in the store. It help those who have no ideas. But I do find bad manners when the price is right and someone offer well under the asking price. For exemple if someone selld somthing for 200 chf and a bozzo comes and offer 50 chf for it.
I think people do that because they know that the seller is usually in a tight spot - they need to get rid of their stuff because they are moving soon - like the OP in this thread : Getting rid of old furniture. People are more likely to significantly reduce the price of the items they are selling when they are out of options, or when they might incur a cost from holding on to them.

To answer your other questions, I find it perfectly reasonable to ask for a bundled price when you are buying several items, or to ask for a lower price for certain items (based on age/current market value) - but then, I grew up in cultures where it was standard practice to haggle. On the forum, I generally don't make offers unless it is explicitly stated that it is ok to do so, and when I do, I keep them reasonable. It is pointless to try and rip someone off when they are already dealing with the hassle of moving. However, if I feel like the seller is over-inflating the price, I won't even bother with them.

Also, when people give away free stuff, I think that it is a nice gesture to bring a small gift (chocolates for ex) to thank them. Yes, it's free, so they are not expecting anything in return, but generosity is appreciated both ways.
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Old 15.02.2011, 08:33
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Old 15.02.2011, 08:53
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

Man, I bargain almost everywhere from flea market stalls to second hand car salons. It is just this mental comfort that you get when the sales person drops the price down for you few bucks. Then I can buy anything I won't without remorses and come back home and tell my wife: "Darling check what I got? It was such a bargain! " ... that's my excuse. What's yours?
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Old 15.02.2011, 09:12
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In the Middle east, if you don't try to bargain a bit, they don't have respect for you. When a tourist comes along.... Kitching! $$$ You know you are going to get the max for your items and they usually blow the price 2-3 times its value!

I like it when someone on the forum will say if the price is too expensive compared of what is in the store. It help those who have no ideas. But I do find bad manners when the price is right and someone offer well under the asking price. For exemple if someone selld somthing for 200 chf and a bozzo comes and offer 50 chf for it.
- in the Middle_East, North_africa, asia: if you don't bargain does not mean they don't respect you but they'll think they fooled you because you paid "fool" price.
- the basic rule of bargaining: know the market price of the item you want to buy. Even if it's second hand cross-check on ricardo or ebay. In the middle_east/north_africa/asia the time at which you go shopping is also very important (morning and begin of week when they need fresh cash).

I love to bargain even in Switzerland and it works in 80% of cases. It's case per case but sometimes it helps if you don't focus on the price but get some extra thing for free.
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Old 15.02.2011, 10:17
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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

Sellers often attribute a higher (re-)sale value, than buyers. Ultimately a buyer will only pay what he thinks the product is worth (and/or what he/she can afford - even if an apparent bargain). Research and knowledge of what one is buying pays dividends, when it comes to getting a deal, or being ripped off.

Also comes down to who appears to be more desperate -- the seller to sell, or the buyer to buy. If one or other is able to assess this, then it will give them more control in a bartering situation, and when the balance has shifted to the buyer, I think it is acceptable to make any offer - if the seller feels insulted, he/she can always decline said offer.

Outside of a market, here in CH, I think bartering the price down (even for new goods in shops) should be a consideration for the purchaser, but is likely to yield not much more than a smile/'tut'/shake of the head from the seller. Hard times haven't seemed to arrived here yet. The best bet, it appears, is to try to upgrade/get extras/accessories for the same price.

And when it comes to major purchases, I think the chances of discounts for cash, are long gone - leasing being far more lucrative for all concerned (unless dealing with a small sole-trader who has the ability and desire to lose a bit of black money).
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Old 15.02.2011, 11:17
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Reminds me of Pacific Mall in Toronto---and the Russel Peters Clip (around 2:00 mark)

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Re: The reasonable offer Etiquette

I usually don't bargain, but I have made a few 'unreasonable' offers before now. In one case I couldn't afford the asking price anyway, and I thought maybe the seller would prefer to sell it to me (it was a piece of furniture with some sentimental value) rather than send it to a brocki-haus. Didn't work out (someone else gave him a higher offer) but he wasn't offended by it either.

In another case someone was leaving the country next day. So she could sell the item to me for CHF20, or throw it away for CHF0. When you look at it that way my offer was a win-win and we both knew it. She'd originally asked 60CHF - slightly below retail, yes, but not enough to be worth the hassle on such short notice - so in effect the discount was the 'reward' I claimed for being flexible.

I think you can be pretty cheeky with offers as long as you're unfailingly polite about it. Doesn't hurt to admit up front that you know you're being cheeky but here is your offer. Then they can take it or leave it, without feeling outraged.
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