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Sorry this is a bit long, but for understandable reasons, I don’t want to write it all in separate posts.



Posting limits. They helped to limit fluff and prevent spam from flooding the forum. Earlier many new spam accounts were coming in with multiple threads and posts. The account and threads could be removed with OTBC but the PMs sent from the new accounts were annoying but were invisible to the Moderator team. The multiple PMs were stopped by limiting Newbie’s PMs (another unpopular ruling to those who don’t understand why it was done).
Stopping Fluff: Baiting Mods is always fun (for the baiters, not the baited) and posting fluff is a wonderful way of hitting Mods from both sides at once. The Fluffies think they have a right to hijack threads and write as many posts as they like. (multiple PMs to Mods and New Threads to complain when posts are deleted or threads closed - „its our Forum“). On the other flank the many who are irritated by fluff, the poor impression it gives of the forum and the number of Today’s Posts which are total rubbish in their eyes. (Multiple PMs to Mods and New Threads lamenting the weakness of the Moderator team in not doing anything about it.)

Stopping Spam: I’m not sure on this but I think with the presence of the ever-vigilant Spam Deputies a lot of the ‚New Member Account Spam‘ now gets OTBCed before it hits the deck.

Posting limits. It was a good idea at the time. Removing the limits is not a thing the Moderator team have the power to do.

So I shall have to keep one eye on my stats and be selective about the posts I decide to write until the danger is, once again, a thing of the past.
If the posting limits stop people contributing more than 20 posts a day or whatever per week, when they are at home and want to be involved in the forum, then it's simply a crappy and unnecessary system, and no amount of lame explanations to try and justify it will change that. EF is not a huge forum nor is it unique, and plenty of forums manage without that setting enabled.
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Old 19.09.2015, 16:49
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I searched the forum but couldn't find a Thread started by anyone who has EXACTLY the same problem as I have.

We have workers here in our flat. Muck and mess everywhere. No good cleaning till they have finished. Mr.L. is away. I need cheering up. What better place than the EF family to calm my shattered nerves.

Log in. Read a bit. Laugh. Write a couple of helpful posts. Make a few kind suggestions. Annoy a couple of members. Throw a few 'Thanks' in where justified. Have a giggle from time to time, Write another helpful post or two. Look up a few links for new members. Do a bit of welcoming. Annoy a couple more members. Correct someone's English. Want to give a tip about permits and am 'forced' to write two consecutive posts as the 'edit' feature doesn't work so I'm unable to add my brilliant after-thoughts to the first post. Make a joke or two. Couple more thanks. Write a PM thanking someone for helping. Correct someone else in slightly superior manner as befits my age. Ask a question or two. Give someone a tip,...
Then.
Out of the Blue
A Thunderbolt.
*You cannot post any more.
You have overstepped your posting limit for the present week.

What? Overstepped? Too many? How can one be too helpful? Or be helpful too often? (we'll ignore the not-so-nice posts which help to add to the dread total). So now I am reduced to one post before supper. And if I am lucky, another before I go to bed at midnight.
Ah the shame of it. Temporarily banned.

Ah well. I trust that the work will soon be finished in the flat and I can amuse myself with other toys.

*Wording inaccurate. Cannot check, as if I write another post to 'pull the plug' on myself, I cannot start this thread.
Longbyt, a naughty suggestion - send (when you are able) a message to the bosses of whichever site you are referring to, and inform them that you have not "overstepped" your posting limit but, in correct English, merely exceeded it!
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Old 19.09.2015, 17:19
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Longbyt, a naughty suggestion - send (when you are able) a message to the bosses of whichever site you are referring to, and inform them that you have not "overstepped" your posting limit but, in correct English, merely exceeded it!
In post 13 on this thread I quoted the actual text.
Weekly post quota of 2% exceeded. Click to see posting averages.

In my opening post, in my frustration I wrote the first (grammatically incorrect) thing which came into my head meaning roughly the same as the original, the exact phrasing of which I could no longer recall.
Miind you, if I were to write to the boss, the text might be grammatically correct but perhaps not PC.
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Old 27.09.2015, 20:11
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Re: Caught out by Post Count

This comes up on a fairly regular basis - see this thread which started in 2011:

Posting limit reached

That said, I've been away from my PC for the last two weeks so theoretically my post count should have dropped dramatically. Yet, having only been back regularly since yesterday I hit my posting limit earlier today.

I can only think the rest of you are being a bunch of lazy buggers.
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Old 27.09.2015, 20:20
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Re: Caught out by Post Count

I've never hit a posting limit on here.

I obviously don't post enough! It's because I don't slag off newbies; it really lowers my post count.
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Old 27.09.2015, 20:49
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I've never hit a posting limit on here.

I obviously don't post enough! It's because I don't slag off newbies; it really lowers my post count.
I don't hit the limit because I post quality rather than quantity.

(please don't check my posting history )
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Old 27.09.2015, 20:57
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...I've been away from my PC for the last two weeks so theoretically my post count should have dropped dramatically. Yet, having only been back regularly since yesterday I hit my posting limit earlier today.

I can only think the rest of you are being a bunch of lazy buggers.
You did return on the weekend, and the weather was pretty decent. Also keep in mind that the limit is either 2% over the last week or 4% of the last 24 hours. You're not even on the weekly list, but you're in 10th over 24 hrs.
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Old 30.09.2015, 21:52
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Re: Caught out by Post Count

So, another regular poster is locked out for the time being, with the following stats for the last week under his belt:

1st - 77 - 2.06%

77 posts in 7 days. 11 posts a day.

The posting cap is absurd and needs to go.
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Old 30.09.2015, 23:18
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So, another regular poster is locked out for the time being, with the following stats for the last week under his belt:

1st - 77 - 2.06%

77 posts in 7 days. 11 posts a day.

The posting cap is absurd and needs to go.
Someone ought to make a movie about it.
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Old 30.09.2015, 23:24
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So, another regular poster is locked out for the time being, with the following stats for the last week under his belt:

1st - 77 - 2.06%

77 posts in 7 days. 11 posts a day.

The posting cap is absurd and needs to go.
Everyone needs to encourage newbies and fluff
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Old 01.10.2015, 12:40
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Everyone needs to encourage newbies and fluff
We need to rethink the rule about requiring newbies to have 10 posts to be able to sell something.

Raise that to 100 and that gives us plenty more leverage to poke fun of them.
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Old 01.10.2015, 12:56
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So, another regular poster is locked out for the time being, with the following stats for the last week under his belt:

1st - 77 - 2.06%

77 posts in 7 days. 11 posts a day.

The posting cap is absurd and needs to go.
Just think of it as another type of spam filter - just make sure every post counts...
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Old 01.10.2015, 15:02
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We need to rethink the rule about requiring newbies to have 10 posts to be able to sell something.

Raise that to 100 and that gives us plenty more leverage to poke fun of them.
Although my post was the lighthearted approach to the issue, there is a serious side to it. The reason that more people are reaching the posting limit is that the overall number of posts has dropped dramatically over the past couple of years. Changing or removing the posting limit would only make it a more exclusive club with the likelihood of new members reducing.

Making participation difficult, or poking fun at newbies is a part of this. If the trend continues in a couple of years there will be little left of EF. I know several people who don't post anymore, or very rarely because the fun has gone out of EF and there are not enough lighthearted posts.

Perhaps the mods and/or administrator need to decide where they want EF to be in the future while there is still time or it could go the way of the various alternatives that sprang up and disappeared.
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Re: Caught out by Post Count

2p time:
Newbies who moan about EF tend to be those who (re)ask stupid, compare everything to where they came from and then try to sell something.

The legends tend to hold everything together and although a good chunk of their posts will be advising newbies they are idiots, they also post a huge amount of useful information and will often help people via PM or occasionally, depending on the phase of the moon, in real life.

As DP said 3 years ago hitting the 4%/2% limits was a challenge but since then post rates have dropped significently (I mentioned this in my last post on the matter) and it can be all too easy to hit the limits when posting actively on multiple threads.

Keep, change, remove? I'm not fussed, I'm just not convinced it really makes it a better or worse place.
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Making participation difficult, or poking fun at newbies is a part of this. If the trend continues in a couple of years there will be little left of EF. I know several people who don't post anymore, or very rarely because the fun has gone out of EF and there are not enough lighthearted posts.
And possibly thereby make the problem worse. If they want lighthearted then perhaps they should make more effort themselves to provide it. That's not a criticism, just an observation. You only get out of a forum what you put into it.

I do think sometimes that the way newbies get treated by some members is too harsh. We all have to start somewhere. Iirc English Forum was only the second one I joined (only belong to 4 now) so I was still pretty new myself when it came to this sort of thing. We have no way of knowing if they're just being silly or if they truly are ignorant of what a forum like this is and need help and advice to get the hang of things, but many seem to think everyone who joins up knows exactly how everything works immediately. I was lucky I guess that my first forum was welcoming and indeed provided lots of helpful info to me - now I do the same for newcomers there and hope I do here too. But I can easily see how that first foray may have put me off joining any forum if it had been a bad experience.
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Old 01.10.2015, 16:12
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I do think sometimes that the way newbies get treated by some members is too harsh. We all have to start somewhere. Iirc English Forum was only the second one I joined (only belong to 4 now) so I was still pretty new myself when it came to this sort of thing. We have no way of knowing if they're just being silly or if they truly are ignorant of what a forum like this is and need help and advice to get the hang of things, but many seem to think everyone who joins up knows exactly how everything works immediately. I was lucky I guess that my first forum was welcoming and indeed provided lots of helpful info to me - now I do the same for newcomers there and hope I do here too. But I can easily see how that first foray may have put me off joining any forum if it had been a bad experience.
I think there is something in this. I've enoticed that sometimes when I've post cr@p that later causes me to cringe over how could I possibly have posted or even thought of posting that, that I tend to get let off lightly - or that rather than calling me out, somebody will even overtake me and post something far worse. Newbies would get crucified over posting far less cr@ppy stuff. So I agree, we can be unncessarily tough on newbies. There may be two or three people on the EF who I tend to lock horns with rather more than with the others as our views and ways of putting them are diametrically opposite, but then its all in good sport and nothing personal as I've also had pleasant exchanges with those same people when the topic was less controversial. A newbie who isn't aware that that's how things work here may get frustrated and feel picked on and leave.
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Re: Caught out by Post Count

Has the post count been removed?
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Has the post count been removed?
well, there's one way to found out ....
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