Random deleting or editing of posts

[BHBT]

Am I going crazy... didn't I just see a post from UM suggesting to contact the mod who deleted the posts?... but when I tried to quote him I couldn't.
Boy these post deletions are fast.

[portsmouth68]

	Quote:	22 yards
	Natasha sat on her own post. Seems he's getting hard in her old age.

I can't believe that shes going soft!! I do think that that the OP has a point although but I also agree that there is a need to have some policing of the site.

Can somebody confirm from EF whether her post was removed after advice from counsel and who the two financial companies are that would like us not to post content about them.

By Natasha deleting a post or for that matter anyone else, there can be an effect on the flow of a discussion. There is also a point where other users will quote a post and change its contents like I have done above...

Any thoughts?

[22 yards]

	Quote:	Natasha
	I deleted it, because I felt I was slightly hasty in posting it. It is a contentious issue, as I too am curious as to whether or not we are permitted to mention companies names when complaining/ recommending, and where is the line?

Statements of proveable fact -- fine. Wild, unsubstantiated claims -- not so much.

[Slaphead]

This has prompted me, for the first time ever, to add a simple signature to my posts.

[Uncle Max]

Natasha deleted her own message. She and we have already said as much.

	Quote:	BHBT
	Am I going crazy... didn't I just see a post from UM suggesting to contact the mod who deleted the posts?... but when I tried to quote him I couldn't. Boy these post deletions are fast.

I deleted my own post, BHBT, as 22yards had made my post redundant. And I like a clean thread

[dod]

	Quote:	Editor Bob
	A great deal of thought goes into the moderation of this forum.

Perhaps in the greater majority of cases this is true. It is the unfortunate minority of cases where it is blatantly indefensibly untrue that draw attention.

And many of the cases (and the specific moderators) to which this comment applies have already been well advertised, so there is probably little to be gained by raking it over once again.

[22 yards]

Some light reading from Wikipedia to guide critical posting decisions:

In law, defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for spoken words), and libel (for written or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. It is usually, but not always, a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed (the claimant).

[Natasha]

	Quote:	portsmouth68
	I can't believe that shes going soft!! I do think that that the OP has a point although but I also agree that there is a need to have some policing of the site. Can somebody confirm from EF whether her post was removed after advice from counsel and who the two financial companies are that would like us not to post content about them. By Natasha deleting a post or for that matter anyone else, there can be an effect on the flow of a discussion. There is also a point where other users will quote a post and change its contents like I have done above... Any thoughts?

Yeah, one too many people bad repped me for judging all Aussies the same.
Noone had quoted me when I deleted my post.

ALSO, you are not supposed to with peoples quotes, but generally when I do, I say, "I fixed that for you".

[Uncle Max]

	Quote:	dod
	Perhaps in the greater majority of cases this is true. It is the unfortunate minority of cases where it is blatantly indefensibly untrue that draw attention. And many of the cases (and the specific moderators) to which this comment applies have already been well advertised, so there is probably little to be gained by raking it over once again.

It's a cruel rule of service that the evening goes swimmingly and everyone's happy except for the fingerprint on the wine glass. And boy oh boy does that lose the staff their tip

[BHBT]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	I deleted my own post, BHBT, as 22yards had made my post redundant. And I like a clean thread

Aaahh, don't we all.

Thanks for confirming I'm not going crazy though, phew...

[dod]

	Quote:	Uncle Max
	It's a cruel rule of service that the evening goes swimmingly and everyone's happy except for the fingerprint on the wine glass. And boy oh boy does that lose the staff their tip

If you wish to pursue this metaphor, does good service on the part of the greater majority of staff make poor service on the part of a minority of their number acceptable?

[22 yards]

	Quote:	portsmouth68
	By Natasha deleting a post or for that matter anyone else, there can be an effect on the flow of a discussion. There is also a point where other users will quote a post and change its contents like I have done above... Any thoughts?

Quite a few people adjust the content of quotes for humorous effect, but ALWAYS note this -- e.g. "Fixed that for you ...". Don't ever misrepresent a poster's statement; that would be completely unacceptable on EF.

It's also bad netiquette to delete your own posts. This has happened a couple of times in this thread, perhaps for good reasons, but please do not routinely delete your own posts or return to them some time later to edit them. If this starts to happen more often, it is likely that editing and deleting priveleges will be revoked or curtailed for all Forum members, as they were earlier this year.

[PlantHead]

	Quote:	portsmouth68
	Can somebody confirm from EF whether her post was removed after advice from counsel and who the two financial companies are that would like us not to post content about them.

Credit Suisse and UBS?
Allegedly both murder babies in their bank vaults.

[Mel07]

I understand the point about posting libelous jokes. What concerns me is the admitted deleting of posts when a negative comment is made about a corporation.

I posted about my problems with Assura. Should I in future refer to this company in code? Is it only a problem if Assura has aggressive lawyers?

What about UBS refusing to count children's piggybank coins. Must we now refer to UBS as "a large international Swiss bank"?

Some guidance on what the, apparently new, EF policy is on posting negative reviews of corporations would be helpful.

[PlantHead]

Actually don't force a policy on the forum, it will always be stricter than most people want.
Post what you like and trust that the mods will only delete posts that get complaints. I still think it highly unlikely that Sarkosy or his lawyers would be browsing EF and become offended that someone called him a Paedophile.

[22 yards]

	Quote:	Mel07
	I understand the point about posting libelous jokes. What concerns me is the admitted deleting of posts when a negative comment is made about a corporation. I posted about my problems with Assura. Should I in future refer to this company in code? Is it only a problem if Assura has aggressive lawyers? What about UBS refusing to count children's piggybank coins. Must we now refer to UBS as "a large international Swiss bank"? Some guidance on what the, apparently new, EF policy is on posting negative reviews of corporations would be helpful.

As I said above, statements of proven truth are fine. It's true that the staff in a UBS branch wouldn't take the coins from a piggy bank. No worries with posting that.

[22 yards]

	Quote:	PlantHead
	Actually don't force a policy on the forum, it will always be stricter than most people want. Post what you like and trust that the mods will only delete posts that get complaints. I still think it highly unlikely that Sarkosy or his lawyers would be browsing EF and become offended that someone called him a Paedophile.

I thanked you before you added the line about Sarkozy. Sarkozy has his supporters, believe it or not, who surf the net and you'd be surprised how quickly things can escalate.

[amogles]

	Quote:	22 yards
	As I said above, statements of proven truth are fine. It's true that the staff in a UBS branch wouldn't take the coins from a piggy bank. No worries with posting that.

And what I said about the represenatative of said financial institution That May Not Be Named and the advice he gave me was also true.

So obviously being true alone is no defence.

If you post something negative it must not only be true but the company you are criticisng must furthermore refrain from sending legal threats to the EF.

[PlantHead]

	Quote:	22 yards
	I thanked you before you added the line about Sarkozy. Sarkozy has his supporters, believe it or not, who surf the net and you'd be surprised how quickly things can escalate.

Chuckle, a case of bad editing on my part, I was just about to take it out again but I guess I had better leave it now.

My point was that, post about Sarkozy and it will probably be ok but don't be surprised if the post gets deleted because the mods have received a complaint.

[Jekyll]

What this forum needs is a good scientology thread.