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There is no more to reality than science. The definition of science is

The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

It's a process of the discovery of the universe with the only tools that make any sense. The tools that built the computer you use every day. The air traffic control systems that keep your plan from crashing. And yes, the medications that keep you from dying. Science is everything.

Now, what it doesn't mean is that practising science is flawless (there's always room for bias in the practise of science - not the fault of science of course but rather the fault of the practitioners) or that our current knowledge of science is all there is.

But science is all we have.
Science is a mere fraction of reality. There exists many realities outside of science. Science can only cope with the physical world. Using Science beyond that and you may as well use a London A-Z to explore Mars.

Science does not handle the concept of duality very well.

But we digress and head off topic.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:07
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I never claimed that.

Sheer vanity and self indulgence.
Is it me or aren't scientists about the least vain and self-indulgent people? Shit money for research projects, long hours, high failure rate of experiments for maybe one "Eureka" moment in a lifetime's work, if they are lucky.

Yeah, real prima donas them scientists...
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Is it me or aren't scientists about the least vain and self-indulgent people? Shit money for research projects, long hours, high failure rate of experiments for maybe one "Eureka" moment in a lifetime's work, if they are lucky.

Yeah, real prima donas them scientists...
You have never been involved in the upper echelons and politics of the Science Masters. Vain self indulging profane and blind. They can't even agree amongst themselves. Backstabbing and bad mouthin' any sign of opposition. Ironically short sighted and closed minded for a profession that claims to maintain an open mind.

So yes, it is you.
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You have never been involved in the upper echelons and politics of the Science Masters. Vain self indulging profane and blind.

So yes, it is you.
But what about the foot soldiers? The ones doing all the donkey work - i.e. the majority?
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:11
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But what about the foot soldiers? The ones doing all the donkey work - i.e. the majority?
Easily excluded. Some great work being done on the ground and at grass roots.
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

@ UTH, whereas you of course, with not a shred of evidence to back up your fallacies, claim that "Science is a mere fraction of reality. There exists many realities outside of science. Science can only cope with the physical world. Using Science beyond that and you may as well use a London A-Z to explore Mars." What evidence do you care to present for these non physical worlds or realities outside of science?
Did some mysterious spirit whisper it to you?
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You have never been involved in the upper echelons and politics of the Science Masters. Vain self indulging profane and blind. They can't even agree amongst themselves. Backstabbing and bad mouthin' any sign of opposition. Ironically short sighted and closed minded for a profession that claims to maintain an open mind.

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Easily excluded. Some great work being done on the ground and at grass roots.
So by the same token you could apply it to the fat cats at the top of any realm; religion, medicine, government, etc. All trying to cover their backs and protect their own interests. Nobody is immune when they get to that level and EVERYBODY has their price, whatever they might say.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen in science but I'm not so blind that I don't think it happens elsewhere in the, shall we say, less "sciency" aspects of society.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:21
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@ UTH, whereas you of course, with not a shred of evidence to back up your fallacies, claim that "Science is a mere fraction of reality. There exists many realities outside of science. Science can only cope with the physical world. Using Science beyond that and you may as well use a London A-Z to explore Mars." What evidence do you care to present for these non physical worlds or realities outside of science?
Did some mysterious spirit whisper it to you?
You want Scientific proof to prove something exists beyond Science, in a reality that Science cannot explain, and never will be able to ?

Sure, bring your bible and prove God exists. Bring your science and prove anything scientific you want. Do not expect a scientific answer for that which goes beyond science. A-Z , Mars , get it ?


Well, the Scientists may be getting close. They stumbled upon something with the double slit experiment, progressing to Schroedinger's cat and the remote observer. The fact that none of us really exist troubles you doesn't it ?

If you can excuse me, I have another quantum wave to collapse and it just so happens another parallel Universe is calling.

QED ?

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Old 24.08.2011, 18:22
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UTH....you are again mixing the failures of humanity (the science masters - although the term, with capital initials, makes you sound like a cook) with the embodiment of science. To be sure you are correct, most scientists produce bad science or at least science that's worse than it should be. Vanity plays a massive part, building ones name, getting grants...but these are problems of humanity, not science and will be pervasive in any alternative since any beautiful idea will always be polluted by the disgusting touch of the great unwashed.
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Ha ha said the Scientist, who cannot exist outside of the small world he creates for himself.

Well, they may be getting close. They stumbled upon something with the double slit experiment, progressing to Schroedinger's cat and the remote observer. The fact that none of us really exist troubles you doesn't it ?

If you can excuse me, I have another quantum wave to collapse and it just so happens another parallel Universe is calling.

QED ?

Paging WeeJeem....

What use are those alternate realities, you still exist in this one, and homepathy doesn't work in this one. It doesn't matter if you think your spiritual being is being treated in another dimension if your body rots and dies in this one.
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

I feel it in my waters that we're getting close to "that" point in The Standard Model Of Threads Discussing Homeopathy.
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UTH....you are again mixing the failures of humanity (the science masters - although the term, with capital initials, makes you sound like a cook) with the embodiment of science. To be sure you are correct, most scientists produce bad science or at least science that's worse than it should be. Vanity plays a massive part, building ones name, getting grants...but these are problems of humanity, not science and will be pervasive in any alternative since any beautiful idea will always be polluted by the disgusting touch of the great unwashed.
Agreed. But then all Scientific results are the results of an imperfect Humanity then , resulting in an imperfect Science ? Shouldn't Science be able to dissect itself from the corrupting symbiosis that is human nature and cold hard fact ? But they don't, do they. Science is corrupt, commercially corrupt. Spiritually void.
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I feel it in my waters that we're getting close to "that" point in The Standard Model Of Threads Discussing Homeopathy.
Nope, but I do feel we should start a new thread and leave Homeopathy behind in the placebic notoriety it now enjoys.
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Agreed. But then all Scientific results are the results of an imperfect Humanity then , resulting in an imperfect science ? Shouldn't Science be able to dissect itself from the corrupting symbiosis that is human nature and cold hard fact ? But they don't, do they. Science is corrupt, commercially corrupt. Spiritually void.
Obvioulsy, fiction is much easier for you.
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Obvioulsy, fiction is much easier for you.
Yep, you did mis-read it.
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Agreed. But then all Scientific results are the results of an imperfect Humanity then , resulting in an imperfect science ? Shouldn't Science be able to dissect itself from the corrupting symbiosis that is human nature and cold hard fact ? But they don't, do they. Science is corrupt, commercially corrupt. Spiritually void.
Yes. Science is always a little bit wrong on an individual/micro basis. I don't trust the results from any one lab. But the iron hand of market forces is alive and well in the lab results marketplace. Ten thousand evil professors fighting each other, trying to disprove each other actually does tend to result in the truth eventually. All the new results that are released in Nature each month I take with a pinch of salt. I read it every month and can just imagine them in their labs...wishing and hoping with the best of intentions that they'll be able to show the results they need to get published...rushing and pushing to try and not get beaten to the publishing punch by a similar lab working on the same thing.

Of course that isn't good science. But science is the aim. Science, that unreachable aim, is the only way there ever will be to find truth. And if we never find truth, don't blame it on science. Blame it on the 60 year old professor who hasn't read a journal article in years and think's he's always right and desperately wants another grant and....yeah.
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What use are those alternate realities, you still exist in this one, and homepathy doesn't work in this one. It doesn't matter if you think your spiritual being is being treated in another dimension if your body rots and dies in this one.
Or anyone I choose. Or a different one every nanosecond. Or in everyone at the same time.

A powerful thing the Quantum mind.
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Or anyone I choose. Or a different one every nanosecond. Or in everyone at the same time.

A powerful thing the Quantum mind.
I have an imagination too.
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I have an imagination too.
Then use it.
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