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Old 24.08.2011, 18:43
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Or anyone I choose. Or a different one every nanosecond. Or in everyone at the same time.

A powerful thing the Quantum mind.

Indeed. Imagination is also quite powerful. As are certain mind altering drugs (not the Homeopathic ones though).

You still didn't offer any proof for your alternate universes or worlds or whatever term you'd care to use. I didn't ask for a scientific proof, I asked for proof. You have none. Nor have I. Let's agree that I don't think there is/are such a thing whereas you apparently do for reason that you either claim cannot be explained or choose not to do so.

Regrettably, by resorting to claims that science is bad because of a few bad apples and that therefore scientific argument is invalid you come across as being out of any sound arguments of your own and resort to "I know it is" reposts. This makes you sound well, a bit of a cock actually. Sorry about that.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:48
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Yep, you did mis-read it.
I'm not sure you even understand what you're writing, if science dissociates itself from fact, it deals with fiction. Anything seems possible if we ignore facts, it opens up whole new worlds of thought, you can even believe homeopathy works if you ignore this reality, throw away the facts.

But then you live in a fantasy, not a reality, no matter how hard you try to believe it. You don't even believe it. Try imagining a world where you can survive without food or water, it's easy, but you'll never willingly go without yourself.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:51
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Then use it.
OK, I just imagined a world in which homeopathy works. It wasn't this one, cause otherwise, I wouldn't have had to imagine it.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:53
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Indeed. Imagination is also quite powerful. As are certain mind altering drugs (not the Homeopathic ones though).

You still didn't offer any proof for your alternate universes or worlds or whatever term you'd care to use. I didn't ask for a scientific proof, I asked for proof. You have none. Nor have I. Let's agree that I don't think there is/are such a thing whereas you apparently do for reason that you either claim cannot be explained or choose not to do so.

Regrettably, by resorting to claims that science is bad because of a few bad apples and that therefore scientific argument is invalid you come across as being out of any sound arguments of your own and resort to "I know it is" reposts. This makes you sound well, a bit of a cock actually. Sorry about that.
What proof would you like, if not Scientific ? Surely proof and scientific evidence are synonymous in your world ? Perhaps there is another system of proof you are going to reveal ?

Science is contradictory, constantly evolving and re-claiming , overwriting , and re-defining. Critics of that sound like cocks to scientists , but then , of course they would, they are a bunch of cocks to themselves in their own contradictions. At any one point in time, choose any point, and Science has proved itself to be wrong. The Scientists today are as wrong as the alchemists and tre-panners of the ancient past. They will be wrong tomorrow and the day after. They thrive on words like "proof" and "as it stands now" or "according to current theory". They have a history of being wrong, I need say no more.

Me ? I just step back, out and giggle.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:55
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I'm not sure you even understand what you're writing, if science dissociates itself from fact, it deals with fiction. Anything seems possible if we ignore facts, it opens up whole new worlds of thought, you can even believe homeopathy works if you ignore this reality, throw away the facts.

But then you live in a fantasy, not a reality, no matter how hard you try to believe it. You don't even believe it. Try imagining a world where you can survive without food or water, it's easy, but you'll never willingly go without yourself.
Careful now. We have already proved Homeopathy works, Same way any other placebo works. Let's not go over that one again.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:55
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But then all Scientific results are the results of an imperfect Humanity then
Not anymore, no longer is science just an abstraction. In the last few years we started building the most important machines that we will build for a very long time. For the first time in our history we are building machines that don't model the universe in an abstract manner but we are building machines that actually simulate reality.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:56
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Try imagining a world where you can survive without food or water, it's easy, but you'll never willingly go without yourself.
He already is.

It's a shame this thread is dominated by scientists and ex-scientists (those in IT basically) with not a philosopher among us.

Read Kirkegaard and Voltaire and Kant (especially his Critique of Pure Reason and Practical Reason read along side each other). It deals with reality and what is real and the difference between the phenomena and the noumena and a great deal more things that it seems that UTH is sort of referring to but isn't quite saying and as someone who loves logic it's quite embarrassing that this thread is composed of people who seem so agitated that he refuses to believe what you believe. So, in the words of Outboy...I'm out.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:57
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Careful now. We have already proved Homeopathy works, Same way any other placebo works. Let's not go over that one again.
Homeopathy doesn't work. Placebos can work

Homeopathy is suppose to work via other mechanisms such as water having memory or treating like with like. It working via placebo is a non intentional side effect.
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Old 24.08.2011, 18:58
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Not anymore, no longer is science just an abstraction. In the last few years we started building the most important machines that we will build for a very long time. For the first time in our history we are building machines that don't model the universe in an abstract manner but we are building machines that actually simulate reality.
Machines that attempt to stimulate their current reality. A robot building a robot. A telescope to look at other telescopes, a mirror to reflect another mirror. But nothing to explore anything beyond the current model. A complete lack of imagination, a refusal to imagine what could lie beyond and explore that. Columbus stuck at the sea side without a boat.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:00
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Machines that attempt to stimulate their current reality. A robot building a robot. A telescope to look at other telescopes, a mirror to reflect another mirror. But nothing to explore anything beyond the current model. A complete lack of imagination, a refusal to imagine what could lie beyond and explore that. Columbus stuck at the sea side without a boat.
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A cynic! So I won't even begin to try and explain quantum computing.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:01
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Homeopathy doesn't work. Placebos can work

Homeopathy is suppose to work via other mechanisms such as water having memory or treating like with like. It working via placebo is a non intentional side effect.
The molecular memory / water memory has long been disregarded. Nobody claims to know how Homeopathy *really* works. It is designed to stimulate the bodies own healing abilities, as all Placebos can be said to do. Either via the mind or whatever you think causes a placebo to work. If prescribed as a placebo, then that is completely intentional. A desired effect from a predicted outcome. Nothing unintentional to that at all.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:02
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Careful now. We have already proved Homeopathy works, Same way any other placebo works. Let's not go over that one again.
Placebos work sometimes, homeopathy doesn't work in any way it claims it does. No one is really disputing the placebo, but you seem to be claiming a greater knowledge just by saying quantum and imagination. This is not useful.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:05
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A cynic! So I won't even begin to try and explain quantum computing.
Please do, I am sure WeeJeem will join you. Please read a few earlier threads.

But then, if you are able to explain Quantum Computing, you would be indeed such a Master. Are you claiming to be able to explain Quantum Computing ? Using what model ? How will you explain that observation collapses the wave function and exposes the transmission as having been compromised ?

Or did you mean you will relay the *theory* behind it ?

You will not find a Quantum Physics critic in me, far from it, you will find an eager student or scientific monk. A Quantum Buddhist you might even find.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:06
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Placebos work sometimes, homeopathy doesn't work in any way it claims it does. No one is really disputing the placebo, but you seem to be claiming a greater knowledge just by saying quantum and imagination. This is not useful.
Who is claiming to know how Homeopathy works ? You are a bit tangled up here.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:08
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He already is.

It's a shame this thread is dominated by scientists and ex-scientists (those in IT basically) with not a philosopher among us.

Read Kirkegaard and Voltaire and Kant (especially his Critique of Pure Reason and Practical Reason read along side each other). It deals with reality and what is real and the difference between the phenomena and the noumena and a great deal more things that it seems that UTH is sort of referring to but isn't quite saying and as someone who loves logic it's quite embarrassing that this thread is composed of people who seem so agitated that he refuses to believe what you believe. So, in the words of Outboy...I'm out.
A Philosophical debate would be great. But the Scientists among us in this thread keep asking for proof. They can only believe it, if explained in their own language, and fail to grasp that their language is insufficient and lacks the imagination to go beyond algebra and algorithm.
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Old 24.08.2011, 19:15
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Who is claiming to know how Homeopathy works ? You are a bit tangled up here.
You were the one who once tried to give an explanation for how it works, using quantum entaglement or some such. Your goto buzzwords.
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A Philosophical debate would be great. But the Scientists among us in this thread keep asking for proof. They can only believe it, if explained in their own language, and fail to grasp that their language is insufficient and lacks the imagination to go beyond algebra and algorithm.
Scientists keep proving and disproving their own theories. I never believed the Stephen hawkin's theory about Black Holes even though everyone said he was a genius- he's no genius. And now scientists are tying themselves in knots with Chaos theory and the butterfly effect, sometimes it just take a bit of common sense to see through these theories.

Who feels stupid now?

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Old 24.08.2011, 19:28
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You were the one who once tried to give an explanation for how it works, using quantum entaglement or some such. Your goto buzzwords.
When you have finished running around in circles, try to step back into the current discussion.
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I never believed the Stephen hawkin's theory about Black Holes even though everyone said he was a genius- he's no genius.
Be quiet Hoppy - you're not in a position to comment. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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