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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

OK then, won't correct it either, lol. My GP in the UK wasn't at all God/pedestal like I must say.

Tai-chi or yoga would be much better to help control nerves. Hope it all went really well.
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Old 19.08.2011, 18:05
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maybe they do but some so-called conventional medicines also have placebo effects.

the point is that in general homeopathy is an alternative to conventional medicine and are not intended to act like placebos
They aren't intended to act like placebos but that is exactly how they do act.
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They aren't intended to act like placebos but that is exactly how they do act.
So (for whatever reason), Homeopathy works does it ?
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

For many ailments and for many people, yes. But if I had pneumonia or cancer, it wouldn't be my first choice.
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So (for whatever reason), Homeopathy works does it ?
Homoeopathy doesn't work. The placebo effect works.

Homoeopathy is the effect of highly diluted 'remedies.' There is an implication of a mechanism of action of the 'remedy' on the disease when in fact the only mechanism is in your mind and could be achieved with anything, not just a very expensive homoeopathic 'remedy.'
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For many ailments and for many people, yes. But if I had pneumonia or cancer, it wouldn't be my first choice.
to be fair there are few, if any, cures for cancer or pneumonia
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Homoeopathy doesn't work. The placebo effect works.

Homoeopathy is the effect of highly diluted 'remedies.' There is an implication of a mechanism of action of the 'remedy' on the disease when in fact the only mechanism is in your mind and could be achieved with anything, not just a very expensive homoeopathic 'remedy.'
Diluted remedies have an effect ?
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to be fair there are few, if any, cures for cancer or pneumonia

That all depends on how you define cure
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Diluted remedies have an effect ?
You're a lot more sensible in real lift mate.
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Old 19.08.2011, 18:17
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You're a lot more sensible in real lift mate.
I wouldn't get in a lift with him...
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

I think they're supposed to be more like highly diluted poisons or toxins i.e. they are supposed to be things that cause the same symptoms in healthy people.

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Homeopathy (pronunciation: quackery; also spelled bollox[1] or homœopathy) is a form of alternative medicine in which practitioners treat patients using highly diluted[2][3] preparations that are believed to cause healthy people to exhibit symptoms that are similar to those exhibited by the patient.
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

Some Pneumonias are fairly easy to cure with the appropriate antibiotics, viral maybe more difficult. And I have many friends who have survived cancer with the help of drugs and other therapies, and are doing very well now, years and years later. I've lost quite a few too, my best friend to pancreatic cancer which is rarely curable.
Don't know any who survived cancer thanks of homeopathy, sorry.
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not so sure about that :-)
Neither am I, I am pretty sure that when used properly they actually do save lives
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You're a lot more sensible in real lift mate.
Yes I am back to wanting to slap him
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Old 19.08.2011, 19:35
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

If I was dying from something I would use everything available to try and cure it. Note, everything, not anything.
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I thought that the Swiss government had said that certain types of alternative medicine would not be available through health care for a three (?) year period so that they could get a decent statistical sampling under controlled circumstances to see what actually worked.

Until then perhaps we can get a mod to close this thread to pre-emptivley stop a flame war delveloping...lol.
After 5 types of alternative medicine, including homeopathy, were dropped from the basic medical insurance some years ago when Pascal Couchepin was health minister there was a huge campaign, followed by a referendum to reinstate these 5 alternative therapies into the basic insurance again. The vote was overwhelmingly in favour of these therapies being re-includied in the basic insurance. However, Pascal Couchepin put the plans on ice pending a scientific evaluation at some point in the undefined future (i.e. never ).

The newly elected health minister Didier Burkhalter reintroduced the 5 therapies into the basic insurance again this year, with effect from 2012, stating that the will of the people takes precedence over the scientific research (sigh of relief). The panel for assessing the alternative medicines will now be made up of a large part of Anthroposophists, Homeopaths etc. and not just as scientists and representatives of the pharmaceutical industry as it was before.
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Old 20.08.2011, 11:21
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The newly elected health minister Didier Burkhalter reintroduced the 5 therapies into the basic insurance again this year, with effect from 2012, stating that the will of the people takes precedence over the scientific research (sigh of relief). The panel for assessing the alternative medicines will now be made up of a large part of Anthroposophists, Homeopaths etc. and not just as scientists and representatives of the pharmaceutical industry as it was before.
Homeopathy is a con, the philosophies behind accepting it are a con, it's divide and conquer. Disregarding scientific evidence is effectively just saying: "Only listen to the people who make the product".

How can you breathe a sigh of relief that scientific evidence is disregarded? If you think your fighting a corrupt pharmaceutical industry, you seem to be doing it by replacing it with a system that is utterly corrupt to begin with. At least science can keep pharmaceuticals in check, what will keep the other quack industries in check if not analysis of their effects?

It will simply be all talk and rhetoric, who can sound the most convincing about their particular form of quackery. But then again, if we have to accept philosophies where everyones "realites" are valid, what does it matter? what does it matter if 1, 10, 100 or a 1000 die from a particular diseaase. if we don't look at the numbers, then we can be blissful in our ignorance and quacks can make money, it's a win win.
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Old 20.08.2011, 12:57
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Homeopathy is a con, the philosophies behind accepting it are a con, it's divide and conquer. Disregarding scientific evidence is effectively just saying: "Only listen to the people who make the product".

How can you breathe a sigh of relief that scientific evidence is disregarded? If you think your fighting a corrupt pharmaceutical industry, you seem to be doing it by replacing it with a system that is utterly corrupt to begin with. At least science can keep pharmaceuticals in check, what will keep the other quack industries in check if not analysis of their effects?

It will simply be all talk and rhetoric, who can sound the most convincing about their particular form of quackery. But then again, if we have to accept philosophies where everyones "realites" are valid, what does it matter? what does it matter if 1, 10, 100 or a 1000 die from a particular diseaase. if we don't look at the numbers, then we can be blissful in our ignorance and quacks can make money, it's a win win.
Apparently this thread is about Placebos. The Scientific evidence of the efficacy etc. Why even involve yourself in an argument about what form the placebo is ? What does it matter to you about which Placebo is taken ?

I can understand why a Placebo is a pain in the arse to a scientist, with all that proof that they work and yet no clue how they work, but still, it does work doesn't it ?
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Old 20.08.2011, 13:00
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it does work doesn't it ?
no. The placebo effect is tiny. It won't cure polio or cancer or AIDS or a big fat brain tumour or almost anything else.
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no. The placebo effect is tiny. It won't cure polio or cancer or AIDS or a big fat brain tumour or almost anything else.
Who or what claims to cure that ? Certainly not Homeopathy ??
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