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Old 20.08.2011, 13:05
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Who or what claims to cure that ? Certainly not Homeopathy ??
Please don't say "homeopathy" any more. Just say "any old random placebo". So....yeah, any old random placebo can only cure what the body was able to cure anyway.
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Old 20.08.2011, 13:11
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Please don't say "homeopathy" any more. Just say "any old random placebo". So....yeah, any old random placebo can only cure what the body was able to cure anyway.
Somebody should change the thread title. I was quite happy talking about Placebos. The video talks about Placebos. It started of as placebos. Then it turned into a Homeopathy thread bashing.

So, generally speaking, it is quite plausible that Homeopathy is an effective placebo ?
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Old 20.08.2011, 13:55
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

Didn't you guys have this same argument a little while ago?



Isn't it sunny in CH? So many thread and subject brang back from death... You must be very bored...
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Old 20.08.2011, 13:59
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So, generally speaking, it is quite plausible that Homeopathy is an effective placebo ?
just like eggs or heroin or salsa dancing. It's all in the mind of the individual.
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Old 20.08.2011, 14:08
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just like eggs or heroin or salsa dancing. It's all in the mind of the individual.
Seems like we have a safe effective cheap remedy then...

For whatever reasons, and it doesn't matter why, prima facie it appears Homeopathy is all of the above. All the nay-sayers should at least withdraw some of the scorn.

Am off to Alpa Mare. The iodine pool is going to cure my boredom. There is absolutely no scientific proof for this, but I know it will work and don't care why.
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Old 20.08.2011, 14:13
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Old 20.08.2011, 14:14
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Am off to Alpa Mare. The iodine pool is going to cure my boredom. There is absolutely no scientific proof for this, but I know it will work and don't care why.
It's the girls in the bikinis with big wobbly boobies, probably...
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Old 20.08.2011, 14:16
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It's the girls in the bikinis with big wobbly boobies, probably...
A theory well worth testing. Although I prefer the diluted smaller versions.
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It's the girls in the bikinis with big wobbly boobies, probably...
But surely, smaller ones ar... oh, never mind
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Old 20.08.2011, 15:22
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But surely, smaller ones ar... oh, never mind

they very probably are, you get more to the pound too
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Old 22.08.2011, 10:23
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Seems like we have a safe effective cheap remedy then...
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Old 22.08.2011, 11:17
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

Do you need a license to dispense homeopathic "remedies"? If not, then I withdraw all previous scorn and announce that I shall be selling these remedies at a cut price, with an extra 10% discount for EFers. Disclaimer: YMMV....if they don't work for you it's because you didn't "believe" enough.

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Old 22.08.2011, 11:19
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Incredibly cheap. (CH excluded)

200 pills , 4
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Old 22.08.2011, 11:21
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Incredibly cheap. (CH excluded)

200 pills , 4
How many a day? From what I heard, you keep taking them until you get better all on your own.
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Old 22.08.2011, 11:31
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The newly elected health minister Didier Burkhalter reintroduced the 5 therapies into the basic insurance again this year, with effect from 2012, stating that the will of the people takes precedence over the scientific research (sigh of relief). The panel for assessing the alternative medicines will now be made up of a large part of Anthroposophists, Homeopaths etc. and not just as scientists and representatives of the pharmaceutical industry as it was before.
Meaning the rest of us now have to pay for your delusions and your water. Wonderful.
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Old 23.08.2011, 09:12
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Meaning the rest of us now have to pay for your delusions and your water. Wonderful.
'Fraid so. Don't worry though the total cost shouldn't exceed 50 million per year. I shall say a silent little thank you though to all you sceptics who don't think much of solidarity and are reluctantly having to finance my delusions and water.

(Only homeopaths who are also doctors will be included in the deal. Homeopaths without a degree in medicine will still be financed via the extra insurance).
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Old 23.08.2011, 09:50
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After 5 types of alternative medicine, including homeopathy, were dropped from the basic medical insurance some years ago when Pascal Couchepin was health minister there was a huge campaign, followed by a referendum to reinstate these 5 alternative therapies into the basic insurance again. The vote was overwhelmingly in favour of these therapies being re-includied in the basic insurance. However, Pascal Couchepin put the plans on ice pending a scientific evaluation at some point in the undefined future (i.e. never ).
Enaj, you have to realise, surely, that the reason the "5" were re-instated were not because homeopathy was good: homeopathy, holistic, herbal and neural therapies and traditional Chinese medicine. Swiss info article here.

It was/is a simple matter of politics. In order to get them all back in, they included homeopathy to increase the support for the initiative. I would be willing to place a rhetorical bet that had each "alternative" tried to force a vote individually, they wouldn't have gotten very far.

Personally I still struggle with the concept of paying for something that has no proven effect. Yes, the cost of the drug may be low - although relatively high for what is just water/nothing, a fact many seem to conveniently forget - but you also fail to factor in the most expensive part of the treatment - Manpower. The largest chunk of overheads in any venture is the wages, which the insurances covers of course. So no, we won't be paying "just a little extra" for not very much... unfortunately the dilution effect doesn't quite work to anyone's benefit here.
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Old 23.08.2011, 10:44
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Re: The medical advantages of homeopathy

There's something horribly unethical about doctors prescribing homeopathy, they must know it's not doing anything, yet they're prepared to sell it anyway. Like a medical version of the useless insurance shops try to sell you on electrical goods when the warranty already covers any problems.
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Old 23.08.2011, 10:49
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There's something horribly unethical about doctors prescribing homeopathy, they must know it's not doing anything, yet they're prepared to sell it anyway. Like a medical version of the useless insurance shops try to sell you on electrical goods when the warranty already covers any problems.
Perhaps in the grand scheme of things it's not such a bad thing - patient requests homeopathy, goes away, doesn't get better, returns to doctor, doctor prescribes conventional medicine.

Maybe they will log statistics and it will finally begin to show a pattern that it doesn't work.
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Old 23.08.2011, 10:53
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Incredibly cheap. (CH excluded)

200 pills , 4
what? Why are they so incredibly expensive
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