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Getting US tourist visa -- experiences??

What kind of experience do people on this forum have with getting a US tourist visa from the US Consulate in Bern?

And since that could pretty depend on the profile of the person applying for a Visa, I am a 27 year old non-EU B permit holder from India staying here since January and plan to make a 15 day trip to US during the Christmas time to meet some friends. Any comments on what my chances could be??

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Re: Getting US tourist visa -- experiences??

confirmed booking of your hotel & flight usually make US tourist visa go smooth.
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Re: Getting US tourist visa -- experiences??

And also apply in advance, it may take a while to get it. Don't leave it for the week before departure.
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Re: Getting US tourist visa -- experiences??

Why would you want to go to the US anyway, you will be stopped at the airport because of the colour of your skin and be detained and questioned for hours on suspicions of being a terrorist. If you thought the SVP was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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Re: Getting US tourist visa -- experiences??

you can groan at me all you want "swissbob", that doesn't change the fact that many innocent travellers to the US have been blocked and harassed by the U.S. immigration authorities simply by virtue of having a passport from the "wrong country."
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= Actress's Detainment Upsets Indians in U.S. and Abroad =




By LYDIA POLGREEN
Published: July 19, 2002
For Jose Panachi, the editor of the popular daily newspaper Malayala Manorama in southern India, there was no question about the appropriate size for the headline on an article about one of the region's biggest movie stars being detained in New York as a suspected terrorist.
''Eight columns, huge type,'' Mr. Panachi said in a telephone interview yesterday from his office in Kottayam, a city in Kerala State. ''Samyuktha Verma is a huge star here. This is very big news for us.''
Ms. Verma, 20, was questioned for several hours by federal and local law enforcement officials Tuesday night along with members of her family and her traveling variety show troupe, after a passenger on their flight from Chicago told a flight attendant that the group was acting suspiciously. Fighter jets escorted the plane to La Guardia Airport, where it landed at 11:05 p.m.
Ms. Verma's detainment, which lasted nearly five hours, caused frenzy in the press in India and much consternation from Indians in the United States.
''We are concerned,'' said Sunil Lal, the press relations counselor at the Indian Embassy in Washington. ''These things should not happen.''
Matthew A. Gold, a lawyer who was in the row behind Ms. Verma on the American Trans Air flight, said he thought the airline overreacted to the group's behavior.
''They were laughing and talking excitedly while straining to look out a window,'' Mr. Gold said. ''One guy was pointing out skyline sights from across the aisle. They were making a lot of commotion and drawing a lot of attention to themselves. On that basis I assumed they were not terrorists. They were just having fun.''
There have been several incidents of South Asian performers of varying degrees of fame being detained at airports. In May, security officials in Toronto questioned Kamal Hassan, a film actor who is wildly popular in India. In May, a group of 11 musicians from Pakistan was removed from three flights in two days because jittery passengers complained that they looked suspicious.
Nitin Mukul, the administrative and creative director of the IndoCenter of Art and Culture in Chelsea, who sponsored the musicians' visit, said that people from southern Asia were being unfairly singled out for scrutiny.
''It was a tremendous embarrassment,'' Mr. Mukul said. ''These are artists. I think there is so much paranoia, and the judgment calls that people in the airlines are making are really questionable.''
Jacob Roy, publisher of Malayalampathram, who sponsored the trip by Ms. Verma's group with Chiru Vijayan, a promoter in New York, said yesterday that no one had formally apologized.
''The police, they said sorry -- but nothing else so far,'' Mr. Roy said. ''It is strange that no one called to apologize.''
A spokeswoman for American Trans Air said on Wednesday that the airline was doing everything it could to promote passenger safety, and declined to comment further on the incident.
Ms. Verma and her companions did not have much time for sightseeing yesterday as she was ferried from interview to interview to talk to journalists from around the world about being questioned by New York police officers and the F.B.I.
Biju Narayanan, one of Ms. Verma's co-stars in the variety show that brought the troupe to New York, said: ''We would like to visit some places in New York, but we have no time now. Maybe next week.''
Today the group is to travel to Washington to do a show, which includes singing, dancing and comedy.
The performers will travel by car, Mr. Vijayan said. ''They don't want to go to the airport anymore.''
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Re: Getting US tourist visa -- experiences??

U.S. Defends Detentions at Airports






By NINA BERNSTEIN
Published: August 10, 2005
Foreign citizens who change planes at airports in the United States can legally be seized, detained without charges, deprived of access to a lawyer or the courts, and even denied basic necessities like food, lawyers for the government said in Brooklyn federal court yesterday.
The assertion came in oral arguments over a federal lawsuit by Maher Arar, a naturalized Canadian citizen who charges that United States officials plucked him from Kennedy International Airport when he was on the way home on Sept. 26, 2002, held him in solitary confinement in a Brooklyn detention center and then shipped him to his native Syria to be interrogated under torture because officials suspected that he was a member of Al Qaeda.
Syrian and Canadian officials have cleared Mr. Arar, 35, of any terrorist connections, but United States officials maintain that "clear and unequivocal" but classified evidence shows that he is a Qaeda member. They are seeking dismissal of his lawsuit, in part through the rare assertion of a "state secrets" privilege.
The case is the first civil suit to challenge the practice known as "extraordinary rendition," in which terror suspects have been transferred for questioning to countries known for torture.
After considering legal briefs, Judge David G. Trager of United States District Court prepared several written questions for lawyers on both sides to address further, including one that focused pointedly on Mr. Arar's accusations of illegal treatment in New York. He says he was deprived of sleep and food and was coercively interrogated for days at the airport and at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn when he was not allowed to call a lawyer, his family or the Canadian consul.
"Would not such treatment of a detainee - in any context, criminal, civil, immigration or otherwise - violate both the Constitution and clearly established case law?" Judge Trager asked.
The reply by Mary Mason, a senior trial lawyer for the government, was that it would not. Legally, she said, anyone who presents a foreign passport at an American airport, even to make a connecting flight to another country, is seeking admission to the United States. If the government decides that the passenger is an "inadmissible alien," he remains legally outside the United States - and outside the reach of the Constitution - even if he is being held in a Brooklyn jail.
Even if they are wrongly or illegally designated inadmissible, the government's papers say, such aliens have at most a right against "gross physical abuse."
Under immigration law, Ms. Mason asserted, Mr. Arar was afforded "ample" due process when he was given five days to challenge an order finding him inadmissible.
"The burden of proof is on the alien to demonstrate his admissibility," Ms. Mason said, "and he did not do that."
"Do you do this to all people on a connecting flight?" Judge Trager asked, raising his eyebrows.
"Yes, all have to show admissibility," Ms. Mason replied. In some ways, she asserted, Mr. Arar had more rights than a United States citizen, because he could have challenged his deportation to Syria, which he had left as a teenager, under the Convention Against Torture. He also had 30 days to challenge his removal, she said.
But David Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University who argued on behalf of Mr. Arar and the Center for Constitutional Rights, contended that the government had denied Mr. Arar a meaningful chance to be heard, first by refusing to let him call a lawyer, and later by lying to the lawyer about his whereabouts.
Mr. Arar, who had been told he would be deported to Canada, was not handed a final order sending him to Syria until he was in handcuffs on the private jet that took him away, Mr. Cole said, while his lawyer was told he had been sent to a jail in New Jersey.
"We can't take a citizen, pick him up at J.F.K. and send him to Syria to be tortured," he said. "We can't hold against Mr. Arar the failure to file a motion for review when he's locked up in a gravelike cell in Syria."
Dennis Barghaan, who represents former Attorney General John Ashcroft, one of the federal officials being sued for damages in the case, argued that Congress and recent judicial decisions tell federal courts "keep your nose out" of foreign affairs and national security questions, like those in this case.
At several points the judge seemed to echo such concerns. He said he had refused to read a letter from the plaintiffs detailing testimony before a Canadian board of inquiry into Mr. Arar's case because he did not know how to deal with questions that might require the government to confirm or deny classified information.
"How am I going to handle that?" he asked, rubbing his forehead and furrowing his brow before adjourning the hearing.
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Your point is?
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Your point is?

The stuff is still going on, maybe pick up a newspaper?
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The stuff is still going on, maybe pick up a newspaper?
Is this relevant to the original question in any way shape or form?
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Why would you want to go to the US anyway, you will be stopped at the airport because of the colour of your skin and be detained and questioned for hours on suspicions of being a terrorist. If you thought the SVP was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Well, I guess this is a widely held view now a days. But then these are crazy times and one can't let these things come in way of trying to do something. If I am sent back (and hopefully not to Guantanamo Bay), so be it. I will assume US is not lucky enough to host me. But even for that, I need to get a visa. And from all the feedback I gather from different sources, even that quick flight to US shores looks remote.

BTW, why do I want to go to US -- to meet up with some old friends staying there and burn some rubber across the west coast before life takes over.
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Is this relevant to the original question in any way shape or form?

The question was "Getting a US tourist visa -- Experiences??"

I posted 2 articles which show such an experience of visiting the US as a tourist.

So the answer is, yes.

Do your comments have any relevance to the topic at hand in any way shape or form?
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I'm moving this to off topic, as this section (permits/visas/government) is for Swiss permits.
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The question was "Getting a US tourist visa -- Experiences??"

I posted 2 articles which show such an experience of visiting the US as a tourist.

So the answer is, yes.

Do your comments have any relevance to the topic at hand in any way shape or form?
Aaah. I see - you not being of English mother tongue, you might have missed the fact that the question was related to experiences in getting a visa, not tourist experiences.

You're apologized. But I see you are good at Ctrl-C Ctrl-V. Is that one of these "top German scientist" things I keep hearing about?
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And also apply in advance, it may take a while to get it. Don't leave it for the week before departure.
This is the bad part. Not all (and definitely not me) can plan vacations six months or a year before hand. I thought 2-3 months ahead was quite the thing but what I learnt today is that you have to schedule a Visa interview with the US consulate atleast 2 months in advance (the latest appointment available as an date is 6 Dec). I was wondering how many days would they normally take to send the passport with the visa stamp (in case they deem me acceptable) .. they said 6-8 business days. Any experiences over there??
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Aaah. I see - you not being of English mother tongue, you might have missed the fact that the question was related to experiences in getting a visa, not tourist experiences.

You're apologized. But I see you are good at Ctrl-C Ctrl-V. Is that one of these "top German scientist" things I keep hearing about?

You see, unlike you, I have sources to back up my facts. When was the last time you picked up a newspaper?
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Please guys, no snarking
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You see, unlike you, I have sources to back up my facts.
You mean like backing up the assertions on the cost of naturalisation? So by the way how much does it cost you were saying?
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This is the bad part. Not all (and definitely not me) can plan vacations six months or a year before hand. I thought 2-3 months ahead was quite the thing but what I learnt today is that you have to schedule a Visa interview with the US consulate atleast 2 months in advance (the latest appointment available as an date is 6 Dec). I was wondering how many days would they normally take to send the passport with the visa stamp (in case they deem me acceptable) .. they said 6-8 business days. Any experiences over there??
Getting the interview date is the tough part. Usually they are rather good at keeping up with the 8 business days period. Not yet as quick as the UK consulate, but hey.
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Getting the interview date is the tough part. Usually they are rather good at keeping up with the 8 business days period. Not yet as quick as the UK consulate, but hey.
Umm, thanks. That gives some confidence in being able to books some flight tickets keeping that timeline in mind. As joeyying suggested earlier, if having confirmed tickets betters my chances, so be it. Ofcouse, I understand .. I understand if the visa doesn't come through or gets delayed, the tickets go waste.
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