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Old 03.08.2010, 01:49
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I think we don`t need to debate about how much is cut of or if a needle is pushed into genital parts. The article also mentioned that some perform this custom in a more radical way.

The point is, why is there any value in sniping around the kids genitals. I think it is a sort of sadism when adults tie their kids onto a table and perform circumcision which is painful and complete unnecessary.
Do you have a problem with adults piercing a kids ears?
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Do you have a problem with adults piercing a kids ears?
Kids ? Older than 10 may be not if requested, at nappy age, yes. The child must develop a sense of self realisation and want to have ears pierced and understand the consequences and issues.
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Old 03.08.2010, 01:55
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

IIRC, round about about the time that Sir Walter Raleigh was inventing cigarettes, Sir Francis Drake was busy circumcising the world with a 100-foot clipper.
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IIRC, round about about the time that Sir Walter Raleigh was inventing cigarettes, Sir Francis Drake was busy circumcising the world with a 100-foot clipper.
I believe he had more an issue with the seamen than this thread.
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Kids ? Older than 10 may be not if requested, at nappy age, yes. The child must develop a sense of self realisation and want to have ears pierced and understand the consequences and issues.
When you show me a 50 year old philosopher with "self realisation" I'll start to believe in 10 year olds with same. Seems there's a lofty equine some people need to dismount.
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When you show me a 50 year old philosopher with "self realisation" I'll start to believe in 10 year olds with same. Seems there's a lofty equine some people need to dismount.
By self realisation I meant a sense of self , maybe a dash of pride or at least an interest in piercing. A 10 year old knows what piercing is , a baby doesn't. Parents that pierce babies ears are treating their offspring as a fashion statement imho.
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By self realisation I meant a sense of self , maybe a dash of pride or at least an interest in piercing. A 10 year old knows what piercing is , a baby doesn't. Parents that pierce babies ears are treating their offspring as a fashion statement imho.
"treating as a fashion statement" is vastly different than calling it a "sadistic ritual", wouldn't you say? In the article you linked, most the girls were old enough to know what was going on. Just because you are used to the concept of piercing you think its better when in fact lets see, one is parents doing something to their kids to fit in with society and oh parents doing something to their kids to fit in with society.
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"treating as a fashion statement" is vastly different than calling it a "sadistic ritual", wouldn't you say? In the article you linked, most the girls were old enough to know what was going on. Just because you are used to the concept of piercing you think its better when in fact lets see, one is parents doing something to their kids to fit in with society and oh parents doing something to their kids to fit in with society.
Sorry, you are confusing me with someone else.
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Old 03.08.2010, 02:14
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Sorry, you are confusing me with someone else.
Oops you are right, but my question stands.
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Oops you are right, but my question stands.
How wrong do you want wrong to be ?
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How wrong do you want wrong to be ?
Piercing or circumcision?
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

So what's the consensus now; all babies should have a PA?
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Piercing or circumcision?
I have stated my arguments, in both. As to when and when not they are acceptable. Please clarify again, I am a bit confused by your questions.
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Piercing or circumcision?
i just reread. 2 misread posts=past my bedtime. I was just trying to prove its all in what you are used to. I think both are wrong per se but not to the degree they shouldn't be tolerated.
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So what's the consensus now; all babies should have a PA?
The thread direction is going a bit off topic isn't it...
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Looks like some people don`t like this discussion about this matter.

Where does this way of thinking lead to?
We can talk about this?
Or we should not talk?

Please think about
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I think a few more minutes and this topic will be buried because of some reason.
Anyway, i thank to all of those people who have created and run this forum.!

Thank you
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The irony appears totally lost on you. I and others are the ones providing links to real, credible scientific evidence and you are the one denying the validity of the scientific evidence. With an almost religious fervour, one might add.

The inquisition would be proud of you.



Oh Nil, this could so be taken out of context...
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Ooooh! your are bad bad bad!
ROFL!!!! That did sound funny when you mentioned your brother! My brother is older than me so I have no clue on whether he is or not and I am NOT about to ask either! LOL! The question or topic never came up so I have no clue. But I know for my son I plan to just let him decide if he wants to be circumcised when he grows up.
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Here there is some idea to what religion leads to,
http://www.viiphoto.com/showstory.php?nID=676
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/ma...mcision-t.html

Some would say it has nothing to do with circumcisison done on boys, but the idea behind is around the same.

If you can respect such things or such customs, i think you should think about your statement and hopefully you will respect people who are against such unnessesary saddistic customs.
OMG! Poor baby! I could not finish watching that video and hearing the baby's cries. I don't see how doctors can do that. Poor little thing. I would feel so bad and guilty if I put my kid through that.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I'm not really following the sidetrack into piercing and the use of 'self realisation' it strikes me as a willfull attempt to ignore the points made.

The degree is irrelevant, a prick to draw blood, an ear piercing, slicing off parts of the genetalia, if you did it to a stranger you'd be comitting assault. As a parent you have the responsibility to look after the childs well being, that doesn't mean you own your childs bodies.

Imagine if circumcision was performed not at birth but at 8, on your boys birthday he is held down on a table while body parts are cut off without anaesthetic. I imagine his screams would be harder to ignore when he is old enough to use language. All because (in the absence of medical need) mummy and daddy want him to be in their club.
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