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Old 09.08.2010, 16:16
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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Circumcision preventig HIV infection?!?! Are au realy serius about?

Sorry, it does not make sense to me why circ reduces HIV infections.
Perhaps I can explain. Scientific studies have shown that the chance of catching HIV from an infected person is reduced if you are circumcised.

In countries where condom wearing is considered to be unmanly, this has been greeted with delight. However, it's all about risks - something that the majority of people seem incapable of understanding.

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Old 09.08.2010, 16:35
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

A never ending thread, No little piece of skin has ever caused so much attention !
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Old 09.08.2010, 17:54
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Perhaps I can explain. Scientific studies have shown that the chance of catching HIV from an infected person is reduced if you are circumcised.

In countries where condom wearing is considered to be unmanly, this has been greeted with delight. However, it's all about risks - something that the majority of people seem incapable of understanding.

hth
I do believe it was one study, not several, vaginal intercourse was the only viral propagation method tested (despite anal intercourse being 900 times more likely to transfer the virus) and community viral resistance was not accounted for (the noted effect of prostitutes developing a semi resistance while being continuously surrounded by the virus). Although the W.H.O accepts the data, the jury is still out and more tests need to be done, but of course it is quite difficult to assess, and unless they do double blind testing in which they actively infect healthy people with the virus, the data will still be dodgey.
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Old 09.08.2010, 17:59
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I do believe it was one study, not several
There are various criticisms of the methodologies used, but there are several studies.
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There are various criticisms of the methodologies used, but there are several studies.
I stand corrected.
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In countries where condom wearing is considered to be unmanly, this has been greeted with delight. However, it's all about risks - something that the majority of people seem incapable of understanding.
hth
I belive that is complete nonsense, that is like you would tell you are getting blind from w...ing.
So where do you think is the difference in sexual intercource between a not circ. and a cicumcisoned penis.

I belive there is higher risk with a circ. penis to transmit STD`s. There are studies which proof that.
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I belive that is complete nonsense, that is like you would tell you are getting blind from w...ing.
You might not believe it, but multiple studies, from multiple sources, have produced the same result. To the point that at least one such study was stopped halfway through and the uncircumcised participants offered circumcision, because the results were so compelling.

Now, it's important to understand that the additional "protection" compared to wearing a condom is basically a rounding error, but if you start from the assumption of unprotected sex with multiple infected partners, then being circumcised is, indeed, better than not, by an appreciable amount.

The application of said studies' conclusions in the western world, with vastly better sex education, access to condoms, and much lower STD rates, is highly questionable.

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So where do you think is the difference in sexual intercource between a not circ. and a cicumcisoned penis.
An uncut penis has a mucus membrane. A circumcised one does not. A circumcised penis will also cause more abrasive friction.
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You might not believe it, but multiple studies, from multiple sources, have produced the same result. To the point that at least one such study was stopped halfway through and the uncircumcised participants offered circumcision, because the results were so compelling.......
Amongst the fake LOLS, the smileys (never a good indication of someone worth discussing things with) and the excessive groaning I gave up on this thread but this post got mailed to me for some reason and I'm calling you on this, you expect us to believe a study was stopped because preliminary results indicated one conclusion? not only that but the control group were immediately offered the active protocol? come off it. Post the link or admit you just made it up.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Aw, it's stopped now
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Old 24.08.2010, 18:24
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Circumcision ring cuts AIDS risk in Africa

Device must be worn for 10 days, but solution is cheap and mostly painless

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35407224/
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Amongst the fake LOLS, the smileys (never a good indication of someone worth discussing things with) and the excessive groaning I gave up on this thread but this post got mailed to me for some reason and I'm calling you on this, you expect us to believe a study was stopped because preliminary results indicated one conclusion? not only that but the control group were immediately offered the active protocol? come off it. Post the link or admit you just made it up.
Are you objecting to a study being stopped half way and treatment being given to the placebo arm, or are you objecting to an AIDS study doing this?

If the former, then just do the research yourself - there's a tonne of such studies where the results have been so compelling that studies are stopped and patients put on whichever treatment was better. Likewise the inverse, when the study was negative and patients taken off treatment. They are done by the safety boards of such studies who review interim analyses on which to monitor the results as the study progresses.

If the latter, you'll have to hope that drsmithy provides you the info if you can't find it yourself.
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Old 24.08.2010, 18:38
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Circumcision ring cuts AIDS risk in Africa

Device must be worn for 10 days, but solution is cheap and mostly painless

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35407224/
Great quote from the Article
"Scientists think circumcision reduces the chances of HIV infection because the foreskin is particularly susceptible to HIV."

But I applaud that they do something..
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Old 24.08.2010, 18:56
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I was told by a circumcised man that the reason for circumcision was for health reasons. Where lack of water is a problem to bath smegma collects and can harbour bacteria. However the counter argument is that with a lack of lubrication the glans is exposed to more abrasion any soreness could also invite infection. Obviously this would be alleviated if the partner provided their own lubrication. Also I have found that anything that nature has given us tends to be self-cleaning any intrusive cleaning like ear canal cleaning or douches can actually introduce bacteria and wreck the natural defense.

The same man also told me that because a circumcised man is less sensitive they can ' go for longer' I am not sure if this is desirable, the downside is that dulled sensitivity may result in less tactile pleasure. Also going for longer risks more abrasion.


So my summizing is that unless the man wants to get a tough leathery helmet over time and reduced sensitivity, he will have to resort to other measures ensuring that his partner is fully lubricated before penetration is attempted.


I found this very off putting to look at (prude that I am) but here is an explanation of the functions of the foreskin-

http://www.circumcision.org/foreskin.htm

Surely the argument for circumcising men could be the same for women. remove the lips and there is less risk of harbouring bacteria in the outer protective cover, women become desensitized and so can go for longer. Plus, studies show men prefer giving the equivalent of BJ's to women who are circumcised and circumcised women are less likely to get HIV.
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Surely the argument for circumcising men could be the same for women.
No. FGM is not circumcision. Look it up.
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Old 24.08.2010, 19:10
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No. FGM is not circumcision. Look it up.
Correct, it's not the same thing. But many people see circumcision as Male Genital Mutilation, I would agree with the definition, but according to my numerous piercings, I apparently have no issue with it.
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I think that this is the study that the may have been referred to:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...ed.0020393.pdf

At present I can't find a connection between Mr. Jian-Zhong Shang ( the inventor of the ring) and Plos Medicine (behind the survey), but am always suspicious of surveys that quickly come up with a remedy. If this is successful then maybe they should offer it to all men in the Porn industry as the men are not allowed to use condoms- I am sure that will stem the HIV infection rate
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The same man also told me that because a circumcised man is less sensitive they can ' go for longer' I am not sure if this is desirable, the downside is that dulled sensitivity may result in less tactile pleasure. Also going for longer risks more abrasion.
This is what you are assuming but I can tell you it is not the case. Less sensitivity doesn't mean less pleasure. And since the gland is already used to free exposition I don't see how in this case it has more risks of abrasion.

And between you and me, to get to the point of abrasion, you have to do it for a very long time, which in this case will bring you to an ejaculation problem.
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Less sensitivity doesn't mean less pleasure.
true!

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true!

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How do you know?
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I think that it shouldn't be done at birth, because if there are no medical reasons, it's simply useless. Why do it? Why throw money and doctor time away to do something useless? (unless you live in the desert and wear traditional arabic clothing with no underwear, this is the only non-medical case in which it is useful, and it's the reason behind the religious practice of jews and muslims (both desert people))
it makes it harder to masturbate too.
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