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Old 27.08.2010, 02:57
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[QUOTE=economisto;920085]Is this your pocket line you bring out at Wedding receptions and Christenings to try and mingle. /QUOTE]
Still preferable to me than bringing something else out for genital mutilation before a celebratory Brit milah meal
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Old 27.08.2010, 03:21
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Die thread, die !!!
I'm quite enjoying it. You don't get many threads with such heated topics where muslims and jews take the same side.
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Old 27.08.2010, 08:30
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Circumcision is not chopping off earlobes. It is not according to cultural norms an outlandish or barbaric act.
as we can see from this thread, this is not an opinion that many people share.
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Old 27.08.2010, 08:51
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as we can see from this thread, this is not an opinion that many people share.
Yes but it is a cultural opinion. In Brazil, the newborn girls get their ears pierce at the hospital before they go out. Back home, we do pierce the ears when the girls are still babies. My daughter got hers when she was 4 months old. For some people I am barbarian like those Italian and Turks (this is what a woman told me )

Maybe for you it is barbarian, but for millions of people it isn't. This is where respect of each others and culture comes in. You don't have to agree, to accept but at least respect the fact that other people have different culture and none is better then an other one.
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Old 27.08.2010, 09:46
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You don't have to agree, to accept but at least respect the fact that other people have different culture.
well, this is exactly what the thread is about, isn't it? One side does not agree with the idea of circumcising babies, other side does not agree with the opinion of the first side. Not likely that either will change their mind.
Like many other threads on EF, would it be now abortion, c-section, mosques or if the Soviet Union was a nice place.. Would be a bit boring if all those consisted of only two posts and both sides agreed to disagree
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Old 27.08.2010, 10:07
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

No there is a big difference here in this thread:
Those who disagree with circumcision label those who agree with circumcision as practicing "barbaric" rituals. I don't think the pro-circumcision put labels.
Live and let live.
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Old 27.08.2010, 10:10
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well, this is exactly what the thread is about, isn't it? One side does not agree with the idea of circumcising babies, other side does not agree with the opinion of the first side. Not likely that either will change their mind.
Although, if one was Swiss, one could raise a petition to try and and get enough votes to force a ban on non-medical circumcision in Switzerland as an outdated and barbaric practice.

Then for those anti-circumcision, it wouldn't matter that that those pro-circumcision were not going to change their mind.

Just a thought .
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Old 27.08.2010, 10:11
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Although, if one was Swiss, one could raise a petition to try and and get enough votes to force a ban on non-medical circumcision in Switzerland as an outdated and barbaric practice.

Then for those anti-circumcision, it wouldn't matter that that those pro-circumcision were not going to change their mind.

Just a thought .
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Old 27.08.2010, 10:13
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Live and let live.
As it was mentioned before, we are from different cultures. I'm sure we can find quite a few things that are normal and accepted in some other culture and that you personally (or most pro-circumcision people) disagree with.
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Old 27.08.2010, 10:18
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As it was mentioned before, we are from different cultures. I'm sure we can find quite a few things that are normal and accepted in some other culture and that you personally (or most pro-circumcision people) disagree with.
Totally true,

But I would never dare to call that barbarian!
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Totally true,

But I would never dare to call that barbarian!

None of it? FGM? Eating dogs and cats? Chopping off hands for stealing? Padaung giraffe women? All normal in some other cultures after all.

yes, it is not the same and no I'm not comparing FGM to circumcision etc, but still, shouldn't we just accept and embrace all the differences? We don't though, as they are no in accodance with our own culture and value system.

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None of it? FGM? Eating dogs and cats? Chopping off hands for stealing? Padaung giraffe women? All normal in some other cultures after all.

yes, it is not the same and no I'm not comparing FGM to circumcision etc, but still, shouldn't we just accept and embrace all the differences? We don't though, as they are no in accodance with our own culture and value system.
I don't know what to answer you more. I am tired of this subject and I am not intereted to defend the case anymore. At the end of the day, we do what we think is the best for our kids interest and it is nobody else business.

I am out of this subject, I can't say anything more. I gave my opinions and I have no interest to defend them anymore.

Enjoy the debate
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Old 27.08.2010, 11:04
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I don't know what to answer you more. I am tired of this subject and I am not intereted to defend the case anymore. At the end of the day, we do what we think is the best for our kids interest and it is nobody else business.

I am out of this subject, I can't say anything more. I gave my opinions and I have no interest to defend them anymore.

Enjoy the debate
But circumcision is just wrong. How could a caring parent do something like that to their children???
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Old 27.08.2010, 11:28
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But circumcision is just wrong. How could a caring parent do something like that to their children???
Troll!

You bored today Trev?

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Troll!

You bored today Trev?

Worse: Severe hangover... and while I normally not troll, I could not help to react to this flounce.

This thread is by now in my views one of the all-time worst on EF.
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But circumcision is just wrong. How could a caring parent do something like that to their children???
Maybe they're just BAD parents ? And they think of their child as a clone, not as a unique individual that might not appreciate his parents' choices later in life !

WHOSE BODY, WHOSE RIGHTS ? LET THEM DECIDE...
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What ever the size of the procedure, look at the consequences. Nothing to be compared with circumcision.
I agree completely that all forms of FGM are abhorrent. I am pleased that they tend to be illegal in "civilized" countries and I hope that advocates against it continue their good work.

On the other hand, it is very difficult to look at, say, WHO Type Ia and Type IIa FGM and say that the anatomical results are significantly different than (male) circumcision. All three "merely" involve the removal of tissue with higher than normal nerve density, and which some adults consider to be erogenous zones.

As for cultural norms, there are, for example, tribes in Africa which remove teeth or tooth buds from their children. I believe that these people do what they think is best, and that ignorance is excusable. However as literacy increases, ignorance is less of an excuse. At the end of the day either, you believe that inherent human rights somehow trump certain traditional practices (e.g. non-reversible body modification of children) or you don't.

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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Roundhead or Cavalier ?
That is the question.
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Maybe they're just BAD parents ? And they think of their child as a clone, not as a unique individual that might not appreciate his parents' choices later in life !

WHOSE BODY, WHOSE RIGHTS ? LET THEM DECIDE...
I am stunned that you came up with such a post...
For reasons you may not yet appreciate.
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I am stunned that you came up with such a post...
For reasons you may not yet appreciate.
Whatever dude !

Didn't you get it yet ? I don't care what X or Y think of me or my posts...
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