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Old 17.08.2011, 22:55
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

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Please explain your logic miniMia, I'm intrigued by your line of thought.
Do you need to be circumcised to have sex?

Clearly the kid had no idea.... Someone needed to clue him in.
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Old 17.08.2011, 22:57
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Do you need to be circumcised to have sex?

Clearly the kid had no idea.... Someone needed to clue him in.
Some people do, yes. (But they don't find out they need to until the first time).
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Old 17.08.2011, 23:14
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Some people do, yes. (But they don't find out they need to until the first time).
Ah. Well, you really do learn something new each & every day!
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Old 17.08.2011, 23:23
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

Never heard of that, either. If the foreskin is too tight it can cause problems, but usually one finds that out before having sex. Unless they have never masturbated.

There are usually other methods for solving that issue anyway. Better to discuss it with a doctor than to deduce the sympton yourself and ask for surgery.
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Old 17.08.2011, 23:30
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There are usually other methods for solving that issue anyway. Better to discuss it with a doctor than to deduce the sympton yourself and ask for surgery.
Actually, much better to post here and get a diagnosis on-line and several opinions thrown in for free...
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Old 18.08.2011, 00:02
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

I've gone right off my spaghetti hoops now...
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Old 18.08.2011, 01:25
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For those of you who want to debte the rights & wrongs of male circumcision then please go to this thread where you can debate away to your hearts content. Replies to this thread should only contain advice for the original poster any other posts will be deleted.
That thread is closed could we open another on male mutilation?
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Old 18.08.2011, 01:48
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

I've read somewhere, that there is an experimental procedure for underwater circumcision - but it doesn't come cheap, as it requires 4 skin divers.
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Well for goodness sake don't go trying to clean a little baby under his foreskin, it doesn't need cleaning in a baby and is not supposed to retract for as much as a few years. If you try beforehand then you may cause small tears. The tears will heal as scars and may cause phimosis.
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Old 18.08.2011, 03:30
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

exactly, there is no need to retract the skin. It's easy to hurt the little guys.
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Old 18.08.2011, 16:19
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Well for goodness sake don't go trying to clean a little baby under his foreskin, it doesn't need cleaning in a baby and is not supposed to retract for as much as a few years. If you try beforehand then you may cause small tears. The tears will heal as scars and may cause phimosis.
14 years in my case - never had a problem - just leave it alone - you wouldn't go poking around inside your kid's vagina to clean it hopefully - cos if you did you'd remove all the healthy bacteria soon to be replaced by some unhelpful stuff.

Rocco Siffredi , cut at 31 said :

Adult film star Rocco Siffredi (nom de guerre: Italian Stallion) says he found that out the hard way when he was circumcised at 31 for hygiene reasons. Siffredi, who calls his decision "catastrophic," says that with a foreskin, "you can feel much more fun."

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010...s-circumcision
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Old 18.08.2011, 16:55
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Rocco Siffredi , cut at 31 said :

Adult film star Rocco Siffredi (nom de guerre: Italian Stallion) says he found that out the hard way when he was circumcised at 31 for hygiene reasons. Siffredi, who calls his decision "catastrophic," says that with a foreskin, "you can feel much more fun."

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010...s-circumcision
I love it when we're reduced to quoting from porn stars on the internet to answer medical and hygiene questions.

Maybe we can ask some ex. gladiators how they handle gerbil breeding or get some vultures' opinions on the latest vegetarian restaurant just opening in St. Gallen.....?
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

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I love it when we're reduced to quoting from porn stars on the internet to answer medical and hygiene questions.

Maybe we can ask some ex. gladiators how they handle gerbil breeding or get some vultures' opinions on the latest vegetarian restaurant just opening in St. Gallen.....?
It was quite valid post from my point of view. No big fan of porn industry, but why not listen to a man who banged more chicks than probably half of this forum altogether? Do You think he would lie for some reason about that? Btw this is not the first time I hear about this, it makes sense to loose some sensitivity...
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

Boys are naturally born with a foreskin -this is natural and has nothing to do with hygiene or medical. Unless there is a problem, which is very unusual. Same as your adenoids or appendix.

You do not need to be a medical expert to know that operations of any kind are always a risk, both with the anesthetics and then with infection- and therefore should always be avoided unless there is genuine reason. If I asked for information on how to remove a little girl's labia, or have cosmetic surgery on a baby's nose - would the comments only include information?

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No big fan of porn industry, but why not listen to a man who banged more chicks than probably half of this forum altogether?
Let's have your facts and figures on this point please. Judging from some of the posts on EF, you and I are amongst peers in the fertility and breeding arena. Pictures also welcomed.....
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I love it when we're reduced to quoting from porn stars on the internet to answer medical and hygiene and cosmetic and aesthetic questions.
Also I think the porn star's opinion is quite valid, as would be the relatively rare opinion of anyone who's extensively used their organs before and after circumcision, considering how a huge part of the argument is the potential loss of sensitivity.

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Old 18.08.2011, 20:51
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

The OP made it clear that it was not for religious reasons. And as the child is unborn, it can't be because there is a medical problem. So why take the risks, which are common (about 20% have some problem or other) unless necessary- and the reason why most Doctors in CH will not perform this unless there are good reasons.

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Chapter Five: Post-operative Complications of Circumcision

The immediate postoperative complications of circumcision may be classified as urinary retention, meatitis, meatal ulceration, meatal stenosis, skin tags, adhesions, skin bridges, concealed penis, phimosis, and miscellaneous complications. These complications are iatrogenic.

Urinary Retention
Circumcision sometimes results in urinary retention
1 with possible obstructive uropathy.2 Bandages used in ritual circumcision may cause urinary retention.3,4 The plastic ring portion of the Plastibell® may also cause urinary retention,5 which may result in a ruptured bladder,6 renal failure,7 or interruption of circulation in the lower extremities.8,9 Urinary retention caused other complications that led to death in one reported case.10 Urinary retention is not seen in non-circumcised intact boys.
Adhesions and Skin-Bridges
The first step in the genital cutting of newborn boys is separation of the inner surface of the foreskin from the glans penis, to which it is fused at birth. The tearing, which Gracely-Kilgore (1984) compared with “skinning a squirrel,”
11 leaves the surface of the glans penis and the inner lining of the foreskin raw. Newborn circumcision wounds are not sutured, so the residual foreskin heals wherever it falls. The residual foreskin may heal together with the glans penis, which results in adhesions that may form a skin bridge,11,12 resulting in tethering.1 Gracely-Kilgore reports that 15 percent of boys seen in her practice had adhesions and three percent required surgical correction.11 Adhesions may require surgical separation by a urologic specialist.13 Adhesions are not seen in non-circumcised intact boys.
Meatal Complications
Meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis are pathology only seen in circumcised boys who have been deprived of the protective foreskin. The connection between circumcision and these iatrogenic pathologies has been known at least since 1921.
14 The exposure of the unprotected glans penis to the ammoniacal diaper (nappie) is generally believed to be the cause of inflammation and ulceration.14,15 Persad et al. (1995), however, have suggested that ischemia of the glans penis, caused by the severing of the frenular artery at circumcision, may be the etiologic factor.16 The ulceration may eventually result in the formation of scar tissue, restricting the opening of the urethra. Leitch (1970) reported 8 cases of meatal ulcer and 3 cases of meatal stenosis in a series of 200 circumcisions for an incidence of 5.5 percent.17 A meatotomy may be required to open the urethra.18-19 Meatal complications are not seen in non-circumcised intact boys.
Urinary Tract Infection
Several studies find that more than 50 percent of urinary tract infections (UTI) occur within 12-14 days after ritual circumcision.
20-22.
Post-circumcision Phimosis
Oddly enough, circumcision, which is touted to prevent phimosis, actually causes phimosis.
22,23 When the circumcision scar forms beyond the glans penis, a phimotic ring results, causing phimosis. Blalock et al. (2003) reported an incidence of 2.9 percent in circumcised boys.23 Leich reported that 11 out of 200 required recircumcision to correct post-circumcision phimosis.17.
Inconspicuous Buried, Trapped, or Concealed Penis
This iatrogenic condition occurs secondary to circumcision.
24-30 A second surgery usually is necessary to effect a repair.28-30.
Keloid Formation
Keloids are an overgrowth of scar tissue. Keloids are reported after circumcision.
31-33 They require surgical removal and repair.31-33.
Circulation Problems, Ischemia, Necrosis, and Gangrene
Circumcision severs arteries and veins including the frenular artery that supplies the glans penis,
16 so it is not surprising that circulation problems are reported after circumcision. Gangrene of the penis,34-36 and of the glans penis,37,38 have been reported.
Miscellaneous Complications
Miscellaneous post-operative complications include chordee,
39 inclusion cysts,40,41 lymphedema,40,41 neuromas,42 sub-cutaneous mass,43 and cancer.44

I know the OP asked for information, but it makes sense to warn of the risks.
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Old 18.08.2011, 21:16
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland: advice and info please

I'm with Odile on this one, you can't just ask a question on where to get it done on the forum and not expect people to air their concerns. As has been said how would people react if someone asked Please has anyone had their daughter circumcised- we are looking for recommendations on where to get it done?

It isn't as if men can't have to done later if they so wish- why not leave the choice up to them?


Sadly, we are fighting a practice that has been carried out for centuries. Both my husbands, brothers, brother -in-laws, nephews (with 2 exceptions) have been circumcised, in the UK, US, Iran they are from different religions. Men like their little boys to look like them. Most of us bathe, we have no lack of running water so hygeine is not a factor, the risks associated with circumcision (though low) may have dire consequences.

Personally if I was a man, I would want more sensitivity not less. Being desensitized doesn't make for a better stud as the majority of women do not orgasm through penetration no matter how how long it takes. Porn movies are not reality.
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Old 18.08.2011, 21:51
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Thread reopened temporarily.

I encourage all posters to review the thread to date (it is quite a long-running one) and consider whether you do, in fact, have anything new to contribute to this discussion. There's little value in repeating the same three arguments endlessly.
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Old 18.08.2011, 21:54
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Right, but circumcision is done when the boy is age 10 or 11 and not before.
Weeks, not years!

Tom

P.S. Most women I've known (and most of them French or Swiss) prefer circumsized.

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