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Old 07.09.2011, 16:32
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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Cut of SKIN not a PART of the body like an organ.
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Everytime a penis will try to go inside of her vagina, it means bleeding and a lot of pain, following with infections. She will have no more clitoris so she won't be able to enjoy sex without penetration either.

How this both can even be compared?
The skin is the largest and most sensitive organ in the human body. Cutting it is exactly the same but more painful than cutting of any other organ.

Circumcision as practiced in most of Africa on men includes cutting off some of the head of the glans which quite often results in death and will result in drastic changes to the nerve system. Removal of the foreskin also exposes the glans to constant stimulation which generally results in numbing of the area. Imagine having your clitoral hood removed so that it was in constant contact with clothes etc.


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A man still can have sex, without pain and with pleasure. While a woman will get her labia cut, sew together with a hole just enough big for urine and period to come out. They will cut her clitoris and sew the skin on top of it.

She will never have pleasure.

I am amazed how people can compared both! Really!
In South Africa one of my friends at school was subjected to the end of his penis being chopped off half way through the glans with a stone axe in the bush and then he had to take some halucnogenic stuff made by the local witch doctor and survive three days in the bush in a fever that almost killed him as his passage to adulthood. He has never been able to enjoy sex and has had constant pain and problems his whole life. That is how I can compare the two....freaking simple. Please try and learn about things before making statements like the one above.
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:36
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I disagree - the graphic is useful. Anti-circumcision ideologues equate the two. Thanks for posting.

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Nil, I think we're all well aware what is involved in female genital mutilation, without the need for graphics.
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Cut of SKIN not a PART of the body like an organ.
It's not "just" cutting , it's cutting and removal of a part of the body , in particular a part of the sexual organs of another human being without their consent.

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Genital mulitation in woman are made to make sure she can't and won't enjoy sex. EVER.



Everytime a penis will try to go inside of her vagina, it means bleeding and a lot of pain, following with infections. She will have no more clitoris so she won't be able to enjoy sex without penetration either.

How this both can even be compared?
That's quite plainly wrong and been proven already on this thread by scientific study :

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Here you go then - something which might change your opinion on that - written by an anti-FGM campaigner.http://www.lightfoot-klein.com/orgasm.html
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I disagree - the graphic is useful. Anti-circumcision ideologues equate the two. Thanks for posting.
This is a public forum accessible to minors, spread-legged images of women, mutilated or otherwise, are not exactly appropriate.
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Nil, I think we're all well aware what is involved in female genital mutilation, without the need for graphics.
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The skin is the largest and most sensitive organ in the human body. Cutting it is exactly the same but more painful than cutting of any other organ.

Circumcision as practiced in most of Africa on men includes cutting off some of the head of the glans which quite often results in death and will result in drastic changes to the nerve system. Removal of the foreskin also exposes the glans to constant stimulation which generally results in numbing of the area. Imagine having your clitoral hood removed so that it was in constant contact with clothes etc.



In South Africa one of my friends at school was subjected to the end of his penis being chopped off half way through the glans with a stone axe in the bush and then he had to take some halucnogenic stuff made by the local witch doctor and survive three days in the bush in a fever that almost killed him as his passage to adulthood. He has never been able to enjoy sex and has had constant pain and problems his whole life. That is how I can compare the two....freaking simple. Please try and learn about things before making statements like the one above.
For God's sakes, how do you think circoncision is done in the hospital? You compare it with your friend's exemple in Africa, In the Bush! But I could compare it with my husband, brothers, ex boyfriends and friends exemples who had it done in Canada in hospital when they were babies and never suffer from it.

What is troubling me is to see people comparing circumcision with Female genital mutilation! This is just out of my mind! Really! You should try to learn about it before you make a statements.
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:40
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Nil, I think we're all well aware what is involved in female genital mutilation, without the need for graphics.
No, if you find the need to put the both in the same basket, you don't understand the difference.
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:42
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This is a public forum accessible to minors, spread-legged images of women, mutilated or otherwise, are not exactly appropriate.
Oh but racism comments and pictures are?

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Old 07.09.2011, 16:43
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For God's sakes, how do you think circoncision is done in the hospital? You compare it with your friend's exemple in Africa, In the Bush! But I could compare it with my husband, brothers, ex boyfriends and friends exemples who had it done in Canada in hospital when they were babies and never suffer from it.

What is troubling me is to see people comparing circumcision with Female genital mutilation! This is just out of my mind! Really! You should try to learn about it before you make a statements.
Okay, calm down.

I think we can all agree that whilst what actually happens is very different, both practises are unnecessary medically and carried out without the consent of the person who is having the procedure.

Nil, do you concur?
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What is troubling me is to see people comparing circumcision with Female genital mutilation! This is just out of my mind! Really! You should try to learn about it before you make a statements.
Nil, would you not agree that circumcision and removal of the clitoral hood alone are entirely comparable?
I think we all agree that the most extreme form of FGM is quite far removed from circumcision, but they do fall within the same category of mutilation, just at opposite ends of the scale.
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No, if you find the need to put the both in the same basket, you don't understand the difference.
I don't think I need you to inform me when I do and don't see the difference.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I do not defend circumcision, I have no interest to defend it. But I strongly defend the difference between circumcision and female genital mutilation.

Too many people have absolutely no idea what that are talking about when they compare both.
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What is troubling me is to see people comparing circumcision with Female genital mutilation! This is just out of my mind! Really! You should try to learn about it before you make a statements.
They call in female circumcision in places that they do it to make it sound okay....it is not.
They call it circumcision in places where they do it to men to make it sound okay.

It is all mutilation of an unwilling person. Would female circumcision be okay if the just cut the hood of the clitoris off in a hospital so that it dulled sensation. Would that be okay??????? Really? Would it? Would you like that done to you?
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But I strongly defend the difference between circumcision and female genital mutilation.
There is no f***** difference, it is all mutilation.
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Nil, would you not agree that circumcision and removal of the clitoral hood alone are entirely comparable? NO
I think we all agree that the most extreme form of FGM is quite far removed from circumcision, but they do fall within the same category of mutilation, just at opposite ends of the scale.
Clitoris is an organ! It has nerves and has the same reaction as a penis, it has an erection.

To compare removal of the foreskin with the removal of the clitoris is to compare the removal of the foreskin with cuting the whole penis off.
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Nil, I think we're all well aware what is involved in female genital mutilation, without the need for graphics.
Actually on this point we differ - Nil herself clearly does not understand that the most common forms of FGM are directly comparable to male circumcision :
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net...id=76&Itemid=6
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Given the respective numbers of victims involved and the fact that some circumcisions are worse than some instances of FGM, there is no justification for perpetuating the gender discrimination which has characterised discussion of these issues. Indeed, a female victim of circumcision during a "holy war" by Islamic extremists in Indonesia recently commented afterwards that what was done to the men was worse than what the women suffered: "I know the men suffered more than us women. The circumcision hurt them more that it did to us because their scars could not heal fast. Several of the men I knew got serious infections after suffering from severe bleeding." (See Christina's story.)
Nil mentions that FGM takes place in the desert - but actually it (or more accurately the milder version involving removal of the dorsal hood covering the clitoris)was performed in the USA until the 1960s in hospitals.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Yeah, "probably".

At least we now know where the anti-circumcision people are coming from. Why consult doctors, epidemiologists and research when we had the answer all along. Anyone have the latest policy from the Vatican or New Life Church?

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The majority of whom are probably circumcised.
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Clitoris is an organ! It has nerves and has the same reaction as a penis, it has an erection.

To compare removal of the foreskin with the removal of the clitoris is to compare the removal of the foreskin with cuting the whole penis off.
I said clitoral HOOD, not the clitoris itself.
The clitoris and the glans are developmentally identical structures.
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Clitoris is an organ! It has nerves and has the same reaction as a penis, it has an erection.

To compare removal of the foreskin with the removal of the clitoris is to compare the removal of the foreskin with cuting the whole penis off.
Agreed but you are comparing the most extreme and rare form of FGM to the most inextreme form of MGM.

Kindly compare apples to apples.
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Yeah, "probably".

At least we now know where the anti-circumcision people are coming from. Why consult doctors, epidemiologists and research when we had the answer all along. Anyone have the latest policy from the Vatican or New Life Church?
Your presumptions are really quite astounding.
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Actually on this point we differ - Nil herself clearly does not understand that the most common forms of FGM are directly comparable to male circumcision :
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net...id=76&Itemid=6


Nil mentions that FGM takes place in the desert - but actually it (or more accurately the milder version involving removal of the dorsal hood covering the clitoris)was performed in the USA until the 1960s in hospitals.
Where did I mentioned that?
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