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Old 07.09.2011, 16:53
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Yes Nil, freaking groan away at me. Cutting anything off somebody's body without thier concent in mutilation, be it labia, clitoral hood, finger, arm, nose, foreskin, etc.

Don't get all high and mighty and only women suffer from these things. You are not a man and you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to having your F******* foreskin chopped off by some religeous bigot and how it does on does not affect you for the rest of your life.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

You presumed, PaddyG, not me. I just found it funny.

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Old 07.09.2011, 16:56
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Agreed but you are comparing the most extreme and rare form of FGM to the most inextreme form of MGM.

Kindly compare apples to apples.
Let's be honest here.... How often you see circumcision being a cut off of the penis and how often you see FGM being a cut of of the hood skin of the clitoris?

How many of you has been circumcised? I would love to hear from those how have been. You know, just so we really have someone who knows how it is really like and if it does stop him of having any pleasure. If you get a woman who had FGM, what are the chances that she still can enjoy sex without having to pass under a scapel to fix the damages...
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Where did I mentioned that?
Just a couple of posts ago :

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For God's sakes, how do you think circoncision is done in the hospital? You compare it with your friend's exemple in Africa, In the Bush! But I could compare it with my husband, brothers, ex boyfriends and friends exemples who had it done in Canada in hospital when they were babies and never suffer from it.

What is troubling me is to see people comparing circumcision with Female genital mutilation! This is just out of my mind! Really! You should try to learn about it before you make a statements.
Did you bother to read my links and educate yourself about FGM since you've been preaching to others about this ? Most of them are written by anti-FGM campaigners.
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Yes Nil, freaking groan away at me. Cutting anything off somebody's body without thier concent in mutilation, be it labia, clitoral hood, finger, arm, nose, foreskin, etc.

Don't get all high and mighty and only women suffer from these things. You are not a man and you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to having your F******* foreskin chopped off by some religeous bigot and how it does on does not affect you for the rest of your life.
And do You?
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Old 07.09.2011, 16:59
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I do not defend circumcision, I have no interest to defend it. But I strongly defend the difference between circumcision and female genital mutilation.

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I take it that if you have any male children then they won't be circumcised?

(This is of course hypothetical).
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:00
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Actually on this point we differ - Nil herself clearly does not understand that the most common forms of FGM are directly comparable to male circumcision :
http://www.historyofcircumcision.net...id=76&Itemid=6


Nil mentions that FGM takes place in the desert - but actually it (or more accurately the milder version involving removal of the dorsal hood covering the clitoris)was performed in the USA until the 1960s in hospitals.
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Did you bother to read my links and educate yourself about FGM since you've been preaching to others about this ? Most of them are written by anti-FGM campaigners.
Read me again, I never mention desert. I said that HE compared it with someone who had it in Africa and in the bushes.
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:01
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Now that we understand the anti-circumcision argument rests mainly on anti-science and morality grounds, lets debate whether smoking (and second-hand smoke) causes cancer. Some say "junk" science! Others say "please don't kill me, I am just trying to breath. What say you...
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:02
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How many of you has been circumcised? I would love to hear from those how have been. You know, just so we really have someone who knows how it is really like and if it does stop him of having any pleasure. If you get a woman who had FGM, what are the chances that she still can enjoy sex without having to pass under a scapel to fix the damages...
My husband had to have it done when he was a young child due to a medical issue. He says it can affect the sensitivity of it plus it can sometimes (depending on his undies) not feel so comfortable because it doesn't have the protective foreskin over it.

He and his mum think that the doctor was a bit quick to perform the procedure (but that was back in the 70s) because there are other less drastic measures today to treat it.
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:03
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If you get a woman who had FGM, what are the chances that she still can enjoy sex without having to pass under a scapel to fix the damages...
It's about the same between those who have had FGM and those not having same :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975

I know - I just blew your mind - well if it was open in any case.
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:04
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Now that we understand the anti-circumcision argument rests mainly on anti-science and morality grounds, lets debate whether smoking (and second-hand smoke) causes cancer. Some say "junk" science! Others say "please don't kill me, I am just trying to breath. What say you...
Where's the anti-science or morality mentioned ?

It's abundantly clear that you've been caught lying on this thread - does this mean that the foundation of all pro-circumcision argument is lies ?
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Now that we understand the anti-circumcision argument rests mainly on anti-science and morality grounds, lets debate whether smoking (and second-hand smoke) causes cancer. Some say "junk" science! Others say "please don't kill me, I am just trying to breath. What say you...
Morality yes but hardly anti-science. Science doesn't provide judgement.

Smoking does cause cancer. Not being circumcised does not cause HIV transmission.
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:05
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I said what I have to say. I think it is absolutely out of mind to compare both as being the same.

For the rest, I have nothing to add. If no ones is willing to come on this thread and tell us how it is to be circumcised, what is the point? To have a bunch of people who still have their foreskin and defending it is the same as FGM?
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:06
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It's about the same between those who have had FGM and those not having same :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975

I know - I just blew your mind - well if it was open in any case.
Keep your personal attacks to yourself, it has no place into this debate, no matter how passionate we can get.
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:08
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Keep your personal attacks to yourself, it as no place to a debate, no matter how passionate we can get.
Umm that's a medical study - which directly contradicts your "belief" since the study demonstrates it just to be a belief and contrary to it's findings.
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I know - I just blew your mind - well if it was open in any case.

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Keep your personal attacks to yourself, it has no place into this debate, no matter how passionate we can get.

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Umm that's a medical study - which directly contradicts your "belief" since the study demonstrates it just to be a belief and contrary to it's findings.
Do you think my reference on the personal attack was about your study?
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Personally I don't see any difference between the removal of the foreskin and removal of the clitoral hood.
Both are comparable forms of GM and unacceptable in my opinion. In all the experiences I've heard of, very much sensitivity is lost from circumcision, definitely not enough to have a major effect on lifestyle, but surely noticable. Perhaps not a bad thing, not as much time worrying and dealing with public errections :P
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Old 07.09.2011, 17:14
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Read me again, I never mention desert. I said that HE compared it with someone who had it in Africa and in the bushes.
Yes, women are mutilated in Africa as well as men.
Yes, women were circumcised in America until they stopped doing it but men still are circumcised.

It is all wrong and it is all mutilation no matter how you care to dress it up.

And yes, I have experience in a number of close friends that have had this done to them, both hospital and bush based and I have actually witnessed one of these bush ceremonies. I can share the details and my thoughts on it with you if you really like. As myself goes, my father nearly punched the doctor that suggested it in South Africa so I can gladly say that I am in tact and seriously hope that everbody else is and feel sorry for those that are not.
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I can gladly say that I am in tact and seriously hope that everbody else is and feel sorry for those that are not.
I am also intact. In fact, it's where I keep my spare change.
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Yes, women are mutilated in Africa as well as men.
Yes, women were circumcised in America until they stopped doing it but men still are circumcised.

It is all wrong and it is all mutilation no matter how you care to dress it up.

And yes, I have experience in a number of close friends that have had this done to them, both hospital and bush based and I have actually witnessed one of these bush ceremonies. I can share the details and my thoughts on it with you if you really like. As myself goes, my father nearly punched the doctor that suggested it in South Africa so I can gladly say that I am in tact and seriously hope that everbody else is and feel sorry for those that are not.
Thank you for your input.

When was it done in America? Secretly like it is done in Europe?
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