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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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My circumcision was a terrible experience because the doctor was short sighted.

He got the sack.
I heard of a case where the scalpel slipped and cut the whole end off...



The doctor was apparently trying for a no bell prize.
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Old 10.10.2015, 14:14
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I heard of a case where the scalpel slipped and cut the whole end off....
My girlfriend at the time was fine about it. Anything with 10% off.
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Old 10.10.2015, 14:36
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I am looking forward to the time when the male pill will be widely available. That will put the onus on both parties, and there will be less woman blaming.

Well yes, agreed. But most men will not agree to take it- just like many men who get women repeatedly pregnant, quite knowingly, will not agree to wearing a condom.

Now I won't 'blame' women here- but I do wonder why some women have sex with men who refuse to use contraception (the male pill won't protect against STD/Aids!!!) and refuse to discuss and manage contraception as a team, as a couple. I wouldn't- and this ever since I became sexually active quite young. But I will 'blame' women who see abortion as a repeated and easy alternative to contraception- there is no excuse in my book for having repeated abortions and refusing any contraception. Ever.
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Old 10.10.2015, 16:30
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there is no excuse in my book for having repeated abortions and refusing any contraception. Ever.
I can help you amend your book! However this is not the right thread, so either take my word for it or PM me
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Old 10.10.2015, 17:22
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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And this, my friends, is what removing the posting limit brings us.

Seriously, haven't you guys got bored of taunting each other yet? It's not like anyone's going to be persuaded to change their views, and you've long passed the point of giving useful information to any undecided parties.

Time to call it a day on this topic, don't you think?
You kidding, not even sure if they properly warmed up yet
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Old 10.10.2015, 17:28
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Well yes, agreed. But most men will not agree to take it- just like many men who get women repeatedly pregnant, quite knowingly, will not agree to wearing a condom.

Now I won't 'blame' women here- but I do wonder why some women have sex with men who refuse to use contraception (the male pill won't protect against STD/Aids!!!) and refuse to discuss and manage contraception as a team, as a couple. I wouldn't- and this ever since I became sexually active quite young. But I will 'blame' women who see abortion as a repeated and easy alternative to contraception- there is no excuse in my book for having repeated abortions and refusing any contraception. Ever.

I think you're more than mistaken here my dear, what with paternity tests etc, a lot of men would be quite happy to take a pill, even quietly to avoid an unwwanted baby.

(By the way, how does the female pill protect against STD/Aids, you seem to imply it does ?)

What does your sexual activity bring to this conversation by the way ?
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Old 10.10.2015, 18:35
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I do wish you would read threads before shooting from the hip. This is exactly what I said- the pill does NOT protect against STDs. or aids. Why do men have unprotected sex with women they cannot trust? Why don't they use a condom, if they are so worried about not having unwanted babies? Again and again, we read about men being 'tricked' into getting a woman pregnant- and the mind boggles. If you don't trust someone- then just don't do it or put a hood on it - end off (no pun intended).


When I was young, in the 60s and 70s- this was not an issue where I lived- AIDS didn't seem to exist, and stds very rare- I was lucky. Point made to FMF is that I can't comment on personal use of condoms.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?



Could the discussion circulating around pregnancy/protection/etc go in a separate thread please? This one's topic is

Circumcision: right or wrong?



thanks
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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Perhaps you should reflect to what happened when abortions were illegal, they still happened. Many mothers died.

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So what do you think will happen if circumcision is made illegal?
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Old 10.10.2015, 19:22
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So what do you think will happen if circumcision is made illegal?
If I may answer - exactly the same thing that has happened since female circumcision became illegal - a lot will crow initially , moan about their culture being discriminated against etc etc , some of it will go underground until they are prosecuted for mutilating their children. Some will also make the choice for circumcision when they reach 18 - which is fine with me frankly.

Ultimately though less children will have parts of their bodies taken away from them without their consent - which would be progress.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

You'd hope so. But a good question and of some concern that it would go 'underground'. It would be interesting to hear about the situation in Germany where it is illegal. Anyone. Going out in a mo and no time to contact friends in D, or do any research.
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So what do you think will happen if circumcision is made illegal?
In my case, nothing will happen. Almost all Muslims in CH or other naturalized Swiss have also the citizenship of their country of origin. They will simply bring their sons and perform it there. Male* circumcision is compulsory in Shia Islam (the State religion in Iran). Since Iran doesn't recognize dual citizenship, the minute I set foot in Iran, I am no longer bound by Swiss law... As easy as that... . No Swiss authority will ever challenge something that is legal and mandatory in my other country...


* female circumcision is illegal in Iran
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If I may answer - exactly the same thing that has happened since female circumcision became illegal - a lot will crow initially , moan about their culture being discriminated against etc etc , some of it will go underground until they are prosecuted for mutilating their children. Some will also make the choice for circumcision when they reach 18 - which is fine with me frankly.

Ultimately though less children will have parts of their bodies taken away from them without their consent - which would be progress.
Nope. They will get it done anyway. Just not safely and it will give the anti-circumcision crew even more ammo!

This isn't cultural. It's religious. Do you think all the German Muslims aren't getting their kids snipped still?

What do Irish women who can't get abortions do? Go somewhere they can get an abortion.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

It is not uncommon for Muslim families to get a visit from social services on return from a 'holiday' back home where FGM is suspected though.
The authorities could choose to do the same with boys.
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Nope. They will get it done anyway. Just not safely and it will give the anti-circumcision crew even more ammo!

This isn't cultural. It's religious. Do you think all the German Muslims aren't getting their kids snipped still?

What do Irish women who can't get abortions do? Go somewhere they can get an abortion.

This question was asked to a Turkish-German father by a German TV (ARD I think). His answer was that they will go and do it in Turkey... and it will be much cheaper than if they do it in Germany...
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Nope. They will get it done anyway. Just not safely and it will give the anti-circumcision crew even more ammo!

This isn't cultural. It's religious. Do you think all the German Muslims aren't getting their kids snipped still?

What do Irish women who can't get abortions do? Go somewhere they can get an abortion.
It's not illegal in Germany.
Not even a proper doctor is required.
Who claimed that anyway?

Does anybody here honestly think Germany would outlaw a Jewish religious practice?
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It's not illegal in Germany.
Religion motivated circumcision allowed - but an American family who would like to do it in Germany will have a harder time. Basically, Germany says Jews and Muslim yes, others no.
Don't ask me to defend that position, I am just the messenger.

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Does anybody here honestly think Germany would outlaw a Jewish religious practice?
The Bundestag had to clarify because the word of the law lead to a clear position against it in a judgement.
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It is not uncommon for Muslim families to get a visit from social services on return from a 'holiday' back home where FGM is suspected though.
The authorities could choose to do the same with boys.
And what are they gonna do?

Again, in my case (male circumcision), this will never happen.

Since FGM is mostly an African tradition and unknown / illegal in Iran; I doubt the social services will bother visiting us...
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It is not uncommon for Muslim families to get a visit from social services on return from a 'holiday' back home where FGM is suspected though.
The authorities could choose to do the same with boys.
And how would social services know where they went on holiday?
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And what are they gonna do?

Again, in my case (male circumcision), this will never happen.

Since FGM is mostly an African tradition and unknown / illegal in Iran; I doubt the social services will bother visiting us...
It's very prevalent in Egypt iirc. Nothing in Islam about it though
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