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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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Nobody would suggest removing a person's eyelids? Well, foreskin is a d**ks eyelid. If nature put it there who the hell do you think you are deciding you know better? (or your rabbi or some other 50 year old virgin in a funny hat).
Just to expand on this idea. Nature has been tinckering with mammal's bodies for a couple dozen MILLION years. Then two and a half thousand years ago, some Bronze Age goat herder, in the midst of a schizo attack brought on by eating whacky 'shrooms, decided that the voices in his head told him that it's a good idea to cut off the penis ends of all new borns, he promptly descended from the mountain he was banished to, due to his frequent gropings of the under-aged kids in the neighborhood villages and proclaimed that it was one of the 10 things god wanted you to do.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

If you were born with a foreskin, then doesn't it stand to reason that nature intended you to have one? Thank god, (whichever one you want) that no interfering fecker cut anything off of my precious knob. How do you circumcise a whale? Send down four skin divers.
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Just to expand on this idea. Nature has been tinckering with mammal's bodies for a couple dozen MILLION years.
Oh, boy. Good luck getting through to the people in question using this argument.
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Old 06.04.2009, 15:04
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

It's all pretty pointless discussing this, because it's the same old logic and commonsense -vs- religion.

You'll never get believers in the Great Sky Fairy to change their opinion.
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It's all pretty pointless discussing this, because it's the same old logic and commonsense -vs- religion.
It's also cultural.


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Actually, it's safer and less painful to do it later...
Not for any of the guys that I have known that have had it done at age 8-10; that is a traumatism that all of them could have lived without (according to them). Not only did they tell me about the pain, but also the embarassement of having a tent over their penis with everyone looking and asking them about it. School was even worse for them as they had to be careful.

I suppose only those that have had a circumcision can really only talk about it can't they?
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Old 06.04.2009, 15:42
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

When considering having one's offspring circumcised a.k.a. penile reduction surgery, one should also bear in mind that he will most likely want to reverse the operation in the future after receiving several unsolicited emails advertising cheap and effective procedures to that effect.
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Not for any of the guys that I have known that have had it done at age 8-10; that is a traumatism that all of them could have lived without (according to them). Not only did they tell me about the pain, but also the embarassement of having a tent over their penis with everyone looking and asking them about it. School was even worse for them as they had to be careful.

I have friends who, in their late teens / early twenties had it done for medical reasons (let's face it, how many would request to get it done for religious reasons at that age?).

They're much more mature at that age and they all bought up the subject themselves and had a laugh about it in the pub over a pint.

(I'm not suggesting it wasn't painless but lots of things aren't).

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They're much more mature at that age and they all bought up the subject themselves and had a laugh about it in the pub over a pint.

(I'm not suggesting it wasn't painless but lots of things aren't).
I seriously doubt a bunch of dudes downing pints are going to talk about the pain part of it; that's left to a sympathetic ear with breasts. "Oh you poor baby, let me make it better...". Audience is everything.
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland

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I see that everyone here have opinion about circumcision, but have anyone here ever had any real life experience or contact with this subject? Do you know anyone that have done it or had good/bad experiences with this.
Reading these comments, to me it seems that those who have strongest opinion about this subject never had any experience/contact with this subject.
I would be VERY careful when it comes to choosing a doctor to consult about circumcision. My husband was born with a tight foreskin, and when he was about six, it ripped on the inside, but the GP treated him for a urinary tract infection because the symptoms seemed to fit the diagnosis. In those days, specialists were only seen when the GP had exhausted all other treatment options and considered the problem serious. Needless to say, after much pain, the problem was diagnosed correctly and a necessary circumcision was performed.

My sons both had to have circumsisions done for medical reasons, the oldest when he was a week old due to an abnormally tight foreskin that made it painful for him to urinate (and he had no problems breastfeeding and has no problem with needles years later). The wound healed in a few days and I was waiting outside the procedure room during the operation. They did not put him under anaesthetic, but I was told to give him a warm bath while the homeopathic sedative that they had given him took effect. By the time they performed the procedure, he was calm and relaxed, and he screamed no more than when he had his vaccinations. The entire procedure took less than 15 minutes. The problem that we did have though, is that while it was quicker and healed faster, the scar tissue is worse when the procedure is done at such a young age, and our son had to have another op when he turned eight so that he could pee straight.

Our second son was fine until about 13 months, when he started getting infections due to an abnormally large foreskin, and even though I tried to keep it clean, I was competing with an irresistable sandpit and a child who refused to wear a nappy after he began potty training. I took him straight to the Urologist after the first infection, but ten months later, after the third infection, he recommended removing it as a safer alternative to repeat antibiotics or preventing the poor child from playing outdoors. The op went well, the scar is almost invisible compared to my older child's one, and my baby is much happier without the daily fights at bath-time to try and wash it properly.

He did, however say that had I taken my older son to a Urologist instead of a Paed, they would likely have performed a different procedure which probably would have fixed the problem without the scarring, and if that was not possible, a good Urologist would have found a temporary fix until the child was old enough to do the procedure properly. He will only do the procedure on babies between six and eight weeks of age, because earlier carries too much risk, and after 8 weeks the procedure is too traumatic without anaesthesia. Miss the window and short of a life threatening emergency, you wait until they turn two.

So, speak to an expert if you want advice. Take your son to a Urologist, get a second opinion if necessary, get as much info as you can on the subject, and make an informed decision.
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If you were born with a foreskin, then doesn't it stand to reason that nature intended you to have one? Thank god, (whichever one you want) that no interfering fecker cut anything off of my precious knob. How do you circumcise a whale? Send down four skin divers.
I must confess, I've never seen a whale wear nappies, or play in a sandpit. Hmmm.....

Nature didn't intend for anyone to be born male and female with parts for both at the same time, and yet...

Nature didn't intend for humans to wear clothes, and yet we do... especially when winter arrives...

And what was nature thinking when she invented siamese twins?
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who are you to tell them that they are wrong if all they asked was for advice on a legal medical procedure?
Look at the title of this thread, and you'll know that being a user of this forum is enough.
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland

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I would be VERY careful when it comes to choosing a doctor to consult about circumcision.
I'm delighted to have discovered this forum and I must strongly agree with the above comments. To a carpenter with only a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I've found that US doctors aren't taught much about the foreskin except how to cut it off. Many new parents tell me their doctor said to force the infant's foreskin back for cleaning, even though our AAP says LEAVE IT ALONE.

There are almost no reasons to circumcise a child. The foreskin is fused to the glans for years, until the boy's own curious manipulations finally release synechial bonds. When this happens is his choice. Forcing it early can scar the glans, lead to adhesions, and cause the foreskin to grow shorter than average, not to mention allowing the introduction of pathogens which lead to the infections everyone seems to think the foreskin is prone to. But if a girl gets and infection, or even repeated infections, we treat with antibiotics, not amputation.

If a foreskin is judged too tight after puberty, then 3 - 6 months of gentle stretching will generally make it retarctable. After that fails and if patience is exhausted and surgery is sought, it is not circumcision that is warranted, but a dorsal slit with transverse closure, which amputates nothing.

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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland

Circumcision is wrong
There's no point in doing it. Its an injustice to the new born and against his right.

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Circumsicion should be banned unless for medical reasons. No ifs and buts for religious reasons either. If your god wanted the kid to be without foreskin then he would have created the kid without one.
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who cares what's natural. If it's not harmful (and clearly it isn't) go nuts! And enough about waiting till your kid turns 18 and is old enough to choose. Unless that is, you won't be making other subjective and potentially damaging decisions for him or her.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

I say leave the boys intact as nature made them, don't go cutting parts off without a medical reason. And I won't even go into the horror of female circumcision/mutiltion which I didn't even know existed till a while ago. Just horrible. Just don't cut anyone and let the person decide when they grow up. Period.
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