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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

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Medical reasons to be circumcised are very rare btw, but almost unheard of in boys under ten.<snip>
Clearly you don't do much listening... our son had his chopped off at age 4, and we know a friend whose son is due for an op (aged 6). Both for medical reasons.

Where does your info come from

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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Poll?

Today, in which contries, it is common to practise Circumcision? I thought in North American it is quite common and even "fashionable" ? I may be wrong though.
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Strange thread.....
LOL!!!! Yes it is!
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Poll?

Today, in which contries, it is common to practise Circumcision? I thought in North American it is quite common and even "fashionable" ? I may be wrong though.
I know in America it used to be done regularly but I don't think it's done as much now. Don't know about other countries I think it's almost never done in Europe.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

WTF??!!

I cannot believe this kind of thread could even exist!!!

But...
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WTF??!!

I cannot believe this kind of thread could even exist!!!

But...
LOL!!!! I know! It gets some people all upset and debating. LOL!
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I know in America it used to be done regularly but I don't think it's done as much now.
You mean in America, it grows back?
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You mean in America, it grows back?
LOL!!!! You know what I mean! Hhahaha!
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Circumcision in Switzerland

Anyone have their baby circumcised in Switzerland? Comments? We are having a baby boy in October. Thanks in advance for your feedback!
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Anyone have their baby circumcised in Switzerland? Comments? We are having a baby boy in October. Thanks in advance for your feedback!
I believe that they don't like doing it here unless for religious or medical reasons.

Otherwise, it's pretty much standard process.
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Thank you!
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland

we went thru this in december 2009. our ob/gyn researched the circumcision options in bern. no one would perform it at birth or within a few days of birth. the soonest would have been around 4 months at a cost of 1500CHF (we would pay 10% of this with our insurance covering the rest). we met with a lovely doctor in bern who had no judgement about our wanting to have it done. we were traveling to the US for 6 weeks around the time our son would have been 4 months. we didn't want to do it right before we left and never got around to it after we returned.

our first son had a circumcision right after birth in the US. at this point, we have chosen not to do so for our second boy here in switzerland. we don't like the use of anesthesia for the procedure and as time passes it no longer seems as important, but i understand wanting to have it done. that was our experience.

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My wife and I are expecting a son in a few months and, after having considered the options, we would like to have him circumcised. I know it is quite common to do in the US soon after birth, but not very common here. Obviously, we will talk with the pediatrician about it, but I was wondering if anyone who has gone through this experience in Switzerland has some good advice. Also, specific recommendations for the Lausanne area (such as doctors) would be appreciated. I should note that neither of us is Jewish, so having it performed by a rabbi is not a possibility.
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I have always found this American obsession with circumcision extremely weird. As far as I am aware it is the general consensus of the international medical community that unnecessary circumcision is tantamount to ritual scarification of your child. In the 50's and 60's in England tonsils where routinely excised in children, (due to regular tonsillitis bouts in the population that could prove fatal to young kids, this medical process was abandoned with improved antibiotic treatments), but the rarity of penile / foreskin problems in the general public leads me to wonder why it is so common in the American population.

We are intelligent apes and have evolved over the last 3000 000 years with foreskins and tonsils and appendices, there is a school of thought, (one to which I subscribe) which dictates that we shouldn't routinely remove perfectly functioning parts of our bodies.

Plus, if you do intend to order a doctor to arbitrarily remove part of your son's penis, do you not think he (your son) might want a say in the matter? It might be prudent to leave your son to make up his own mind about such invasive and unnecessary operations when he is compos mentis enough to make his own choices about his own body.
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I have always found this American obsession with circumcision extremely weird. As far as I am aware it is the general consensus of the international medical community that unnecessary circumcision is tantamount to ritual scarification of your child. In the 50's and 60's in England tonsils where routinely excised in children, (due to regular tonsillitis bouts in the population that could prove fatal to young kids, this medical process was abandoned with improved antibiotic treatments), but the rarity of penile / foreskin problems in the general public leads me to wonder why it is so common in the American population.

We are intelligent apes and have evolved over the last 3000 000 years with foreskins and tonsils and appendices, there is a school of thought, (one to which I subscribe) which dictates that we shouldn't routinely remove perfectly functioning parts of our bodies.

Plus, if you do intend to order a doctor to arbitrarily remove part of your son's penis, do you not think he (your son) might want a say in the matter? It might be prudent to leave your son to make up his own mind about such invasive and unnecessary operations when he is compos mentis enough to make his own choices about his own body.
I think you're neglecting your dissertation. That MA in Philosophy from Birkbeck won't complete itself.
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I have always found this American obsession with circumcision extremely weird. As far as I am aware it is the general consensus of the international medical community that unnecessary circumcision is tantamount to ritual scarification of your child.





That's interesting, 'cos there is evidence of the benefits of having Jonny chopped:
  • 10- to 20-fold protective benefit of newborn circumcision against severe urinary tract infections (UTIs) in the first year of life
  • preventing transmission of HIV
  • prevention of infant balanoposthitis and phimosis
  • prevention of HIV acquisition
  • reduction of penile cancer incidcen
  • reduction of penile dermatoses
  • chlamydia infection is 3 times more common in female partners of uncircumcised men than in female partners of circumcised men
PEDIATRICS Vol. 118 No. 1 July 2006, pp. 385-387.

Now, I'm no fan of having the chop, but I accept that there are medically justified reasons for it. I therefore don't agree with your view that the medical consensus is that it is a bad thing, as there is evidence that it has benefits - see above.
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland

My parents let me decide. Unless I had "phimosis" I wouldn't get it done.
Although this could be a problem if I ever intend on working in the adult video industy I'm quite glad that I haven't had it done. My cousins have, however as they had a problem.
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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Personally, I wouldn't want to do it or see it done to anyone, but if it's not me or my sons I guess it's not my decision. Anyone who says it's more hygenic is obviously a tramp and doesn't wash properly
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That's interesting, 'cos there is evidence of the benefits of having Jonny chopped:
  • 10- to 20-fold protective benefit of newborn circumcision against severe urinary tract infections (UTIs) in the first year of life
  • preventing transmission of HIV
  • prevention of infant balanoposthitis and phimosis
  • prevention of HIV acquisition
  • reduction of penile cancer incidcen
  • reduction of penile dermatoses
  • chlamydia infection is 3 times more common in female partners of uncircumcised men than in female partners of circumcised men
PEDIATRICS Vol. 118 No. 1 July 2006, pp. 385-387.

Now, I'm no fan of having the chop, but I accept that there are medically justified reasons for it. I therefore don't agree with your view that the medical consensus is that it is a bad thing, as there is evidence that it has benefits - see above.
I think a lot of this 'information' is badly researched 'prevention of HIV acquisition' 'prevention of HIV transmission', poppy-cock! I grant you there have been studies, but standard deviation of results and other factors render a definitive conclusion to your findings intellectually indefeasible. Plus your mixing up medical treatment of a condition, with arbitrary excision whether there is a condition or not.
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I think a lot of this 'information' is badly researched 'prevention of HIV acquisition' 'prevention of HIV transmission', poppy-cock! I grant you there have been studies, but standard deviation of results and other factors render a definitive conclusion to your findings intellectually indefeasible. Plus your mixing up medical treatment of a condition, with arbitrary excision whether there is a condition or not.
Huh? What's your background in epidemiology to make such claims? Are you suggesting that all epidemiological and or other studies are indefeasible?

You accept the fact that studies have been done, but then dismiss them out of hand. As I understand it, that's not how good discussions happen. Nor, for that matter, good science.

I'm also not mixing anything up. You say that there is no evidence of the medical benefit of circumcision.

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I say there is and provide you with a good starting point...

I look forward to reading your editorial/letter to the author in Paediatrics... You have the citation from my post, and here's the link for submission to help you on your way.

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Re: Circumcision: right or wrong?

Don't do it. What I wouldn't pay to get mine back! It's just madness to numb and impair the function of someone's sex organ for cosmetic purposes.

There's a big movement against it now:
http://nocirc.org/
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